Moyes 'The ungrateful irritant'

[Wizard]

If you read the full quotes it really doesn't sound that bad at all. Think people are making a bit too much of this...

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...-roberto-martinez-ahead-of-old-trafford-clash

Manchester United boss David Moyes has paid tribute to his Everton successor Roberto Martinez ahead of Wednesday night's Old Trafford clash.

Moyes swapped Goodison Park for Old Trafford in the summer, and he goes into the match with United three places below Everton.

Martinez has been a huge success at Everton since his move from Wigan, with Everton beaten just once all season.

Moyes acknowledged what a positive impression Martinez has made and admits he is not sure what kind of reception the travelling Everton fans will give him.

"He is doing a very good job," said Moyes. "He has very good players there. I always told them they could play without a manager because they are very well organised.

"But Roberto is doing a really good job keeping it going.

"I had a great time at Everton, it was a great club for me at the time in my career when I left Preston North End. They were fabulous to me - they gave me a chance to succeed the best I could at the club.

"We had one or two early years at the start when it was a bit up and down but overall we had a pretty good level of consistency after that and tended to finish pretty well in the division.

"I don't think it's any advantage there's a new manager there and he's got his own players in as well.


"I had a great time at Everton, it was a great club for me at the time in my career when I left Preston North End. They were fabulous to me - they gave me a chance to succeed the best I could at the club."
David Moyes
"I do know a lot of them, I probably brought most of them to Goodison, if not them all, except for the recent ones. They're all really good players and I've got a lot to thank them for because they helped me to win games."

Moyes admits the manner of his departure was difficult for him and Everton.

"I was running out of contract. I only found out about this Manchester United job about four weeks before the end of the season. If someone said 'how would you leave a club?' I don't know if I could have done it better - I don't know if anyone could have done it any better. At the first right opportunity I spoke to Bill Kenwright and that's how we handled it."

And Moyes is not sure how he will be treated by the Everton supporters.

"I think it could be mixed at times but I think they know their football and they know where the club's gone," he said.

"I think more importantly they'll understand the players in the team, the majority I brought in and I think they'll understand there were a lot of good players brought in. But it's football and you just never know."

 

[GrandOldTeam]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9055750/?

Manchester United boss David Moyes says he warned Bill Kenwright

David Moyes says he warned Bill Kenwright that he would return to Everton for some of his players immediately after being appointed Manchester United manager.Moyes spent 11 years with Everton before leaving Merseyside to replace Sir Alex Ferguson at Old Trafford last summer.
Moyes angered Kenwright and Everton fans, by returning for Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines and offering what was perceived to be an "insulting" joint £28m bid.
And though Fellaini eventually made the move on deadline day for £27.5m, Baines remained, with Everton rejecting Moyes' final advances in the hours before the transfer window shut.
"Once I got the United job I discussed it with Bill near enough immediately," said the Scotsman.
"I said that there would be some players I would be interested in.
"Bill was well aware of it but obviously it was always going to be a difficult thing when it actually came to it."
In hindsight, Moyes recognises the situation might have been handled differently by all parties, which is just as well given it appears his interest in Baines remains.
"There were bits of it I would have liked to have done better but there were also bits of it as a whole I think could have been done better," he said.
"That is football. I speak with Bill Kenwright regularly. We both knew that this would happen but it is never that easy.
"But time moves on as well.
"Life is too short to hold any grudges.
"I had a great working relationship with Bill and the board of directors there and that is the way it remains."

 

[Chang Elephant]

"I was running out of contract. I only found out about this Manchester United job about four weeks before the end of the season.

If you're happy reading that, fair play to you.

 

[bluelife]

Think that's just selling from Sky. From his actual quotes he didn't 'warn him', just told him that there would be players he would try to buy, as expected.

 

[Jags..class]

He seen his arse because Kenwright didn't let Moyes pick our manager, he making a dig about Martinez about the players don't need a manager.

 

[roydo]

Wonder what Utd players he will take with him to Sunderland next year?

 

[paulbefc]

I must have missed the compliment. Granted, I've only read his headline comments, but if that's what you're referring to I fail to see how his barbed assessment of our new manager and Everton's stepping stone role in his career are complimentary.

It's a calculated dig at the way we've just got on under Martinez and left him and his ways behind. He's seething with it. Make no mistake. The feller has an ego the size of a Led Zeppelin. And all he has to show for his post Everton efforts is the doubts of the nation that he's capable of doing the job he was hired to do.

Dave, unless things change drastically at some point, I don't think we'll ever agree on anything Moyes!

You could just as easily interpret it as him saying he knows very well that we're a good outfit as he knows the players because he signed the vast majority of them.

You could say it's an insult to Martinez or you could say he's said Martinez has continued the good work he did previously by signing good players and getting them into the top 6. I don't expect Moyes to come out and acknowledge Martinez as doing a superior job and basically point out his own shortcomings that Martinez may nor may not have highlighted. That would be a very strange thing to do.

To get back to my original point, I think it's being generous to call it jumping to conclusions to assume he's come out and tried to insult the club and the manager here and thus could be seen as a tad bitter. That's how I see it.

It's not my place to tell people what they should and shouldn't fume about though, so I apologise for that.

*pipes down*.

 

[davek]

Something psychologically unsound about Moyes.

Rampant ego, arrogance etc coexisting with insecurity, inferiority complex etc. Barely repressed hostility (fans questioning subs, journalists at press conferences, decking his player at Preston) mixed with born again religious pacifism (players never questioning the ref no matter how absurd the decision etc).

I could imagine Moyes in New England in the 17th Century as a witch-finder. It's the self-righteous bluster and crude mumbo jumbo logic he brings to bear on matters.

How United hired this uncreative, by the numbers manager I'll never ever know.

 

[Minimeister]

Thought this was interesting -

There were bits of it I would have liked to have done better but there were also bits of it as a whole I think could have been done better," he said.

"That is football. I speak with Bill Kenwright regularly. We both knew that this would happen but it is never that easy.

"But time moves on as well.

"Life is too short to hold any grudges.

"I had a great working relationship with Bill and the board of directors there and that is the way it remains."

Does he mean he won't hold a grudge against Bill for not selling him Baines on the cheap??

 

[davek]

Dave, unless things change drastically at some point, I don't think we'll ever agree on anything Moyes!

You could just as easily interpret it as him saying he knows very well that we're a good outfit as he knows the players because he signed the vast majority of them.

You could say it's an insult to Martinez or you could say he's said Martinez has continued the good work he did previously by signing good players and getting them into the top 6. I don't expect Moyes to come out and acknowledge Martinez as doing a superior job and basically point out his own shortcomings that Martinez may nor may not have highlighted. That would be a very strange thing to do.

To get back to my original point, I think it's being generous to call it jumping to conclusions to assume he's come out and tried to insult the club and the manager here and thus could be seen as a tad bitter. That's how I see it.

It's not my place to tell people what they should and shouldn't fume about though, so I apologise for that.

*pipes down*.

Regardless of interpretation placed on the divvy's comments just look at the concrete reality:

- even today he's still peddling a line that he left on a spare of the moment decision when SAF has already underlined phone conversations were in full swing on the matter just after the turn of last year. He's lying through his teeth trying to retain some dignity over the matter. Give him a free pass if you like, most (correctly) wont.

- he's halfway through the process of cherry picking the two best performers of the team he had here...as if they were his own personal collection he could turn up with a knife at our throat and get a two for one bargain offer on last summer. He's not on if he thinks he can talk his way out of that. It was a spit in the face. Turn the other cheek though if you like.

 

[TheFinnFan]

I could imagine Moyes in New England in the 17th Century as a witch-finder. It's the self-righteous bluster and crude mumbo jumbo logic he brings to bear on matters.

How United hired this uncreative, by the numbers manager I'll never ever know.

davek, you know.

 

[Librarian]

If the players could manage themselves then why did he insist of hanging around like a bad smell at the end of the season.

 

[davek]

davek, you know.

Ferguson has a lot to answer for if you're a United fan. His legacy will be tarnished when ginger comes up empty handed on ther game's biggest prizes.

 

[davek]

If the players could manage themselves then why did he insist of hanging around like a bad smell at the end of the season.

...and maybe he could hand back his 3.5 million per year wages he pulled down for the decade or so he was getting it....seeing as he had no job to do.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Ferguson has a lot to answer for if you're a United fan. His legacy will be tarnished when ginger comes up empty handed on ther game's biggest prizes.

this. Scottish connection.