Moyes: "maybe the supporters don't know and expect more"

[steken1]

I don't think the idea is that we'll implode so much as revert to the mean.

We finish higher in the league than our finances dictate. If we only got market value for our players in the transfer market and wage negotiations then we'd finish between 10th and 15th most seasons.

So an average top flight manager would have us finish around there, a good top flight manager would have us finish 6th-8th the way Moyes does. A bad one might have us in the bottom 5.

This is long term obviously, our current squad is far too good for that but they're also aging and will need to be replaced.

I'm not sure that's what D410, foot long etc believe mate TBH. If you look at the rhetoric it hints that they think a big drop in performance is likely. Many a time the we'd be league 1, championship stuff has been said and Neiler thinks we're four bad transfers away from the championship too.

I just don't see us being physically able to appoint a manager that bad TBH. John Gregory wouldn't take it.

 

[D410]

I don't want David Moyes to leave.I still would be happy if he stayed...more because of the fear of an uncertain future rather than the belief we will ever win anything with David Moyes.

I do rate very highly the squad that he has put together,and I see this as his greatest strength....putting together a strong squad with limited funds.
I see his use of this squad as one of his weaker points.
I see his loyalty to certain players as a weakness,when he has kept them in the team when we would have been better off with ten men.The classic example was Saha in his last season.
I believe that because of his conservative nature David Moyes will always be a manager who came close to winning something without actually doing so.

I fear the uncertainty as you do but only from a perspective that the board will still be here and continue to fail the club moving forward.

It,s intresting to me that there does seem to be a core amount of fans who want change at the coach level and appear to think that that change alone will improve the teams success. Everything about the last 14 years has told us that both off and on the pitch matters have always placed glass ceilings on the total progress of the club.

 

[steken1]

The right man who a lot want shut of. Its all about picking the next right man though, that man who can get us into the CL on a shoestring.

Personally i wouldnt be surprised if the next appointment is internal, its Bills style to consult with Moyes when/if he goes - i think Moyes is going to recomend the likes of Irvine.

Neiler you constantly try to misrepresent the views of others to make your own point. I don't know why???

I don't think you'd find a person on here, or anywhere else, who doesn't think he was right at the time. Even Davek agrees with that.

Most of the thrust of the Moyes should go argument is he will always lose you the games that really matter I.e.Cups. Most, including me, think a lot of stars would have to align for this squad to get into the CL regardless of who's in charge.

I haven't seen many demanding the next guy get us there??? Perhaps though being best of the rest for a while made people think it was the next logical step. For a while the trajectory was upward and when your moving forward you rarely look behind you.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I'm not sure that's what D410, foot long etc believe mate TBH. If you look at the rhetoric it hints that they think a big drop in performance is likely. Many a time the we'd be league 1, championship stuff has been said and Neiler thinks we're four bad transfers away from the championship too.

I just don't see us being physically able to appoint a manager that bad TBH. John Gregory wouldn't take it.

Labelling an opinion as 'rhetoric' does the debate no favours.

If Martinez is appointed, my view would be that in the short / medium term a drop off in performance would be highly likely - as I just don't rate the fella.

Footballs recent history is littered with good managers doing poorly at particular clubs, for numerous differing reasons. Changing managers when you've got no budget is a HUGE risk for a club in our position.

If the ****e or Chelsea back the wrong managerial horse, they just sack them, appoint a fresh face & chuck a massive transfer budget at it. We don't have that luxury & I think you're massively underestimating how it could all go very pear shaped

 

[njligernj]

Wouldn't come here. It's tragic to say it but we honestly offer him less than swansea in all areas but wages.

So to summarize what might happen (I realize none of this is guaranteed to happen): We can't hire away the manager of Swansea but we do hire a manager who just got his team relegated.

That series of events should do wonders to ease this apparent inferiority complex in the squad everyone is so worried about lately. Nothing more flattering to a squad than settling for a manager who just left a relegated team because you can't lure a better option away from a club like Swansea.

 

[steken1]

Labelling an opinion as 'rhetoric' does the debate no favours.

If Martinez is appointed, my view would be that in the short / medium term a drop off in performance would be highly likely - as I just don't rate the fella.

Footballs recent history is littered with good managers doing poorly at particular clubs, for numerous differing reasons. Changing managers when you've got no budget is a HUGE risk for a club in our position.

If the ****e or Chelsea back the wrong managerial horse, they just sack them, appoint a fresh face & chuck a massive transfer budget at it. We don't have that luxury & I think you're massively underestimating how it could all go very pear shaped

It weren't meant the way you've taken it mate, a better choice of words escaped me. The tone of your posts I should have used perhaps.

I feel the opposite way about you fella's that see a real danger for our future if I'm honest. You'd have to be very, very poor to ruin this side in a short space of time.

 

[dholliday]

So to summarize what might happen (I realize none of this is guaranteed to happen): We can't hire away the manager of Swansea but we do hire a manager who just got his team relegated.

That series of events should do wonders to ease this apparent inferiority complex in the squad everyone is so worried about lately. Nothing more flattering to a squad than settling for a manager who just left a relegated team because you can't lure a better option away from a club like Swansea.

[video=youtube;oKI-tD0L18A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A[/video]


We will/should be getting some bright young thing from the continent...forget Prem managers.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I feel the opposite way about you fella's that see a real danger for our future if I'm honest. You'd have to be very, very poor to ruin this side in a short space of time.

Not really.

You could sell Fellaini & Baines & replace them with overpriced crap. (see across the park for details).

Villa finished 6th & got to a cup final in 2010 - but had slipped to 16th by the end of last season & the odds are they might have a last day of the season shout out away at Wigan - to stay up this May.

The change of manager might be something we can't control, but to wish for it, given where we are at present is crazy stuff imho. Each to their own.

 

[Brennan]

Not really.

You could sell Fellaini & Baines & replace them with overpriced crap. (see across the park for details).

Villa finished 6th & got to a cup final in 2010 - but had slipped to 16th by the end of last season & the odds are they might have a last day of the season shout out away at Wigan - to stay up this May.

The change of manager might be something we can't control, but to wish for it, given where we are at present is crazy stuff imho. Each to their own.

And don't forget the need for Pienaar, Osman, Howard, Neville, Distin, Hibbert replacements in the next 2-3 years. Not exactly easy on £1.5m per year.

 

[riddick]

We will/should be getting some bright young thing from the continent...forget Prem managers.

I think we should do that too, like someone from the German league. the vast majority of the league there have to sell to raise funds, healthy finances and they blood youth.

 

[Allezfan]

So to summarize what might happen (I realize none of this is guaranteed to happen): We can't hire away the manager of Swansea but we do hire a manager who just got his team relegated.

That series of events should do wonders to ease this apparent inferiority complex in the squad everyone is so worried about lately. Nothing more flattering to a squad than settling for a manager who just left a relegated team because you can't lure a better option away from a club like Swansea.

I think we're not attractive to managers in the top half of the english league.

I think we are attractive to better managers working in other leagues because of the riches and exposure of the prem.

Going to martinez is a cop out. He's no risk, no reward.

 

[D410]

It weren't meant the way you've taken it mate, a better choice of words escaped me. The tone of your posts I should have used perhaps.

I feel the opposite way about you fella's that see a real danger for our future if I'm honest. You'd have to be very, very poor to ruin this side in a short space of time.

We,ve got the wrong people running the club off the pitch so like day follows night yeah.

FYI -

http://efcfeelinblue.com/the-cost-of-insanity-part-one/

http://www.thesefootballtimes.net/#!the-cost-of-insanity-part-2/c6xy

 

[Allezfan]

QPR spend loads more than us, are we happy to lose to them?

The financial side matters in building the squad. It doesn't change that the squad that Moyes built is good enough to win a trophy which is exactly why we turned on him after the wigan loss. He threw away his excellent work building that squad with that one day's work. And that's the third time in three years he's done that.

And maybe if he was capable of coaching youth players properly the next manager wouldn't inherit an aging side filled with players we need to replace quickly with no money.

 

[steken1]

We,ve got the wrong people running the club off the pitch so like day follows night yeah.

FYI -

http://efcfeelinblue.com/the-cost-of-insanity-part-one/

http://www.thesefootballtimes.net/#!the-cost-of-insanity-part-2/c6xy

Already read them both. Colin is a very articulate man and very well informed. But he does have an agenda(one I hope he see's through) and you need to remember that it's not objective.

One thing that we see from this board is they don't interfere with the football side of things and they allow a manager time to get it right and implement his methods. You don't get that at least half the clubs in the league IMO and it's got a value.

The chairman buying players for you, suggesting the team, releasing players he doesn't like and all that doesn't happen here.

Financially if things were to go so seriously wrong that serious danger was imminent Moyes being here wouldn't stop it. Lots of managers have bought low and sold high or developed youth.

 

[D410]

Already read them both. Colin is a very articulate man and very well informed. But he does have an agenda(one I hope he see's through) and you need to remember that it's not objective.

One thing that we see from this board is they don't interfere with the football side of things and they allow a manager time to get it right and implement his methods. You don't get that at least half the clubs in the league IMO and it's got a value.

The chairman buying players for you, suggesting the team, releasing players he doesn't like and all that doesn't happen here.

Financially if things were to go so seriously wrong that serious danger was imminent Moyes being here wouldn't stop it. Lots of managers have bought low and sold high or developed youth.

If Colin did post on here, I would say he would take exception to your "agenda" comment as far as I can tell he has spent years trying to look out for the club and fans where most looked the other way. Very Poor comment from yourself.

You would be very surpised if you knew about what our chairman is doing during transfer windows without the CEO,s knowledge - that,s for another day.

Fin, we are already a busted flush just limping along in our stagnation bubble with the future of the club in the hands of a few who not only have a proven track record of failure but have to pick the next manager !