Moshiri on Jim White show on TalkSport today....

[toffeejack]

Problem is, a top class Centre back is costing just as much as a top class Striker now.

depends where you look really. i get your point, but spurs bought alderweireld for something stupid like £12m, only a couple of years ago from a top class atletico team. same can be achieved with attackers obviously, but i think it's less rare.

 

[The Esk]

I said so earlier myself mate. That's why the evasive recounting of the Stones deal (whereby everyone else is responsible for the sale apart from him) was hard to buy. It's policy...HIS policy.

At base this is a commercial problem. Ok, he walked into it. But he's here now and will have been for over a year by the time next summer's transfer market is open, so bringing in new commercial partners and their cash must become a reality. But that interview emphasises that essentially the landscape in that respect is unchanged: it's still the 'facility led solution' that we've been hearing about for a decade or more. Fair enough, it WILL be an enormous boost in that respect (especially for a naming rights deal), but there has to be an interim commercial success story or the sales of our best players cant be stopped in the next 3/4 seasons.

He can pretty much spend what ever he has available this window because of the Stones sale in STCC compliance.

Next summer he can lift wages by £7 million plus increase in commercial revenue plus player trading profits.

Neither I see as facility led, rather than compliance led - facility led suggests a lack of resource to carry out wishes, compliance led means constrained by regulation rather than resources.

 

[ianefc]

 

[orly]

I could of predicted how this thread would go and who the poison posters would be. I wonder what odds the bookies would've gave.

*have

No Ian, what the more level-headed, forward-thinking among us are doing is showing people the huge great leaps they are making blinded by the size of Moshiri's fresh wong

Think back to 2013. What did you think about El Fraudo? What did you KNOW would happen? Do you remember the insurmountable baying masses we were up against then??

It's 25 June 1950 and we're the "Glorious Glosters".

 

[deipnosophist]

Golden showers...... Kinky..!!!!!

It has always struck me as a very odd hankering...but to each their own I guess.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Or they might believe it when they see it, understandable really

Thanks Terry

All you can ask of Moshiri is that he backs the manager and does what he can behind the scenes to increase income and sort a stadium out. It sounds like he is trying to do this, it's not like going to the player shop and just picking one up! First I guess there needs to be an agreement between Walsh and Koeman to go for a certain player, there might be a few that we could have got but one or other didn't fancy them, then they make an enquiry and that club may or may not want to sell, then if we do get an agreement the player may or may not want to come to us. Players and agents can ask for more during negotiations and so on. It's not ludicrous to think we may have struggled to get in our top targets, remember both Koeman and Walsh turned up late in the summer. I expect them to have better back up planning this time around and have had time to properly assess our current squad.

Even if we had spent 150 million on players during the last window it still would be no guarantee that Moshiri is on the level, plenty have owners have spent piles of cash and when it didn't get them far they have retreated, (Newcastle and villa for starters) so I think he deserves at least open minds for the time being.

I think he has done enough already to deserve that, you have to be slightly unhinged to look at the whole situation, take in the facts and come to the conclusion he is just milking the club. This may be actually true, but just like we can't prove he did try to sign all these players, you can't say for sure he didn't and it was outside factors that prevented them from going through.

One things for sure we cannot keep on having transfer windows like the last one else we will start falling further from the top teams and our best players may try to force moves to other clubs.

 

[ianefc]

I assume this is a link to the interview (which I've not heard)

 

[davek]

He can pretty much spend what ever he has available this window because of the Stones sale in STCC compliance.

Next summer he can lift wages by £7 million plus increase in commercial revenue plus player trading profits.

Neither I see as facility led, rather than compliance led - facility led suggests a lack of resource to carry out wishes, compliance led means constrained by regulation rather than resources.

It's that bit that concerns me. The balance there will be massively skewed toward the latter. Its realistically why he underscored a couple of times that it's Koeman who controls everything.

 

[The Esk]

It's that bit that concerns me. The balance there will be massively skewed toward the latter. Its realistically why he underscored a couple of times that it's Koeman who controls everything.

The Chang deal is finished in May, there's the possibility of bringing the (Kitbag) Findel deal to an early close plus the shirt manufacturing deal. I wouldn't be surprised if he also went to a short term naming rights deal on the revamped Goodison.

Not withstanding it would be churlish not to accept it is a limiting factor

 

[terry nodder]

All you can ask of Moshiri is that he backs the manager and does what he can behind the scenes to increase income and sort a stadium out. It sounds like he is trying to do this, it's not like going to the player shop and just picking one up! First I guess there needs to be an agreement between Walsh and Koeman to go for a certain player, there might be a few that we could have got but one or other didn't fancy them, then they make an enquiry and that club may or may not want to sell, then if we do get an agreement the player may or may not want to come to us. Players and agents can ask for more during negotiations and so on. It's not ludicrous to think we may have struggled to get in our top targets, remember both Koeman and Walsh turned up late in the summer. I expect them to have better back up planning this time around and have had time to properly assess our current squad.

Even if we had spent 150 million on players during the last window it still would be no guarantee that Moshiri is on the level, plenty have owners have spent piles of cash and when it didn't get them far they have retreated, (Newcastle and villa for starters) so I think he deserves at least open minds for the time being.

I think he has done enough already to deserve that, you have to be slightly unhinged to look at the whole situation, take in the facts and come to the conclusion he is just milking the club. This may be actually true, but just like we can't prove he did try to sign all these players, you can't say for sure he didn't and it was outside factors that prevented them from going through.

One things for sure we cannot keep on having transfer windows like the last one else we will start falling further from the top teams and our best players may try to force moves to other clubs.

I agree to an extent, and I personally am of the opinion that I'll credit him for something, when something happens, starts a staidum build, buys a player without selling first

But on your points here, do you not think some sort of contingency should have been deployed during the summer window, giving we were apparently actively atempting acquisition of so many higher level players, it stood to reason not all of them would be successfully captured

So where were the back up targets?

Thanks TeRRy

 

[Groucho]

Can't admit to listening to the piece, just going off what's been written here. I'm just saying it's a long process to sign a player and it's easy to say you were in for a player if all you've done is lodge an interest.

It's like saying you nearly got a job, cos you sent in your CV.

In all fairness it's probably best that, if you're going to comment on his comments, that you listen to the interview first.

If anything it'll give you a solid base to post your view from.

That is exactly what he said, that we where prepared to meet the asking price and where going toe to toe with Chelsea, people have been crying out for him to come out with this type of interview, and now that he has the same people are calling him out on it, utter madness and proves what I have thought all along that some are literally just out on the wind up.

I read it as though we went all out for them.

 

[orly]

The Chang deal is finished in May, there's the possibility of bringing the (Kitbag) Findel deal to an early close plus the shirt manufacturing deal. I wouldn't be surprised if he also went to a short term naming rights deal on the revamped Goodison.

Not withstanding it would be churlish not to accept it is a limiting factor

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It would be public relations suicide without work having actually started on the stadium. He could sell Lukaku and wind people up less for a lot more money.

 

[terry nodder]

I assume this is a link to the interview (which I've not heard)

Well hey he's flipping rocking the denim there isn't he? And topping off with a turtleneck too, I think I'm changing my mind about this fellow. If he's got my kind of fashion sense then hey, I'm on board

thanks TED

 

[davek]

The Chang deal is finished in May, there's the possibility of bringing the (Kitbag) Findel deal to an early close plus the shirt manufacturing deal. I wouldn't be surprised if he also went to a short term naming rights deal on the revamped Goodison.

Not withstanding it would be churlish not to accept it is a limiting factor

Wow. That is playing with fire.

 

[ianefc]

*have

No Ian, what the more level-headed, forward-thinking among us are doing is showing people the huge great leaps people are making blinded by the size of Moshiri's fresh wong

Think back to 2013. What did you think about El Fraudo? What did you KNOW would happen? Do you remember the insurmountable baying masses we were up against then??

It's 25 June 1950 and we're the "Glorious Glosters".

I don't think anyone is taking huge leaps of faith. I just know he is here now, things on and off the pitch are seemingly progressing and I just can't see the point in being all negative about it, at first there were crazy predictions of net spend and the like, but now the dust has settled I've consistently said I'm prepared to wait and see on this one, my faith will be lost by the close of the next summer window should significant progress in the playing staff not be made. I'm not expecting much in January as anyone worth their salt in the PL knows it's a terrible window to get top drawer players in.

Back to the huge leaps of faith bit, I'd suggest that there are more people doing whatever the opposite is to 'huge leaps of faith' than those taking said steps.

On the Martinez thing, we really don't deserve much credit it was obvious he was going to be failure. Also this fella deserves credit for binning the fraud knowing full well he'd rape us for £10m compo. The rat.