Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[MikeH72]

He's intent on playing football in OUR tradition, nothing to do with Barcelona. Everton are/were a team that passed the ball rather than go route one. I dont need to tell you it was what clubs like Everton and West Ham and Spurs were known for in that past - a commitment to playing football in the right way.

You don't need Barca quality players to play football either. There are teams like Swansea who's players are all very comfortable on the ball and who can all take a pass, move into space and play a pass. Not too much to ask of any pro in my opinion. The problem is we've had anything but football played in our tradition for a decade and a half and, so there's an infuriating fan impatience to wait for play to develop and moves to work out.

The answer isn't to make the manager do what's alien to him, it's the other way about: for the fans to familiarise themselves with their own club's history and offer some support to a team trying to play football in the right manner again. Give this man time. He's looking to stop one way of football in its tracks and channel us down a new direction with another approach to the game. He deserves everyone's support not constant carping over results and his perceived lack of a Plan B.

When play isn't actually developing and moves are not at all working out in 90 minutes worth of football, do you not think it then becomes a problem that he should be looking to rectify?

 

[MikeH72]

“Sometimes, as a midfielder, you get in positions, but today was sunny, the grass was sticky and you can miss a pass and that can affect the next two or three decisions,” explained Martinez “but the thing I love about Ross is that whatever happens it never affects the next moment when he wants the ball.

Sticky Grass...that goes straight into the Top 10 of complete BS from brown shoes.

That's not real, I refuse to accept that he actually said that. I can't wrap my head around the concept of a human being saying that

 

[davek]

When play isn't actually developing and moves are not at all working out in 90 minutes worth of football, do you not think it then becomes a problem that he should be looking to rectify?

Isn't that what he does? Season one: how many times did he make subs that paid off? Isnt that looking to rectify?

Would your answer be to get to a point in the game and send a big strapping lampost on there to try an aerial approach and try to break the deadlock? That just seems very redundant and clueless to me. An obvious ploy that relies on a slice of luck.

What we need and must get this summer is another quality forward worthy of the name who can come on and offer us a realistic way of making two up pay off, or to come on in a straight swap for a striker out of form and find the form the player they replaced didn't have that day.

The answer isn't to stop playing football and go Gaelic football, the answer is to keep playing with proper options off the bench.

 

[MikeH72]

Isn't that what he does? Season one: how many times did he make subs that paid off? Isnt that looking to rectify?

Would your answer be to get to a point in the game and send a big strapping lampost on there to try an aerial approach and try to break the deadlock? That just seems very redundant and clueless to me. An obvious ploy that relies on a slice of luck.

What we need and must get this summer is another quality forward worthy of the name who can come on and offer us a realistic way of making two up pay off, or to come on in a straight swap for a striker out of form and find the form the player they replaced didn't have that day.

The answer isn't to stop playing football and go Gaelic football, the answer is to keep playing with proper options off the bench.

Sure we had a quality centre forward who'd won numerous honours in the game earlier in the season, and when he brought him on as a sub he just stuck him on the left wing. Newcastle at home is the only game I can think where he's played 2 up front this season, we won 3-0 and it hasn't been seen since. Weird that, isn't it

 

[Furey1878]

Sure we had a quality centre forward who'd won numerous honours in the game earlier in the season, and when he brought him on as a sub he just stuck him on the left wing. Newcastle at home is the only game I can think where he's played 2 up front this season, we won 3-0 and it hasn't been seen since. Weird that, isn't it

Lukaku got injured in the following game.

Then Kone was terrible for a few games in a row,

Probably why we haven't seen 2 upfront since. If you ignore us going 4-4-2 against Sunderland when Mirallas got subbed on, of course.

 

[Khalekan]

That's not real, I refuse to accept that he actually said that. I can't wrap my head around the concept of a human being saying that

It ranks up there with the boy from BR or one of the privatised railways who explained away the non effectiveness of their arrangements aimed at keeping the trains running during snowy weather on the fact it was "the wrong kind of snow"

 

[MikeH72]

Lukaku got injured in the following game.

Then Kone was terrible for a few games in a row,

Probably why we haven't seen 2 upfront since. If you ignore us going 4-4-2 against Sunderland when Mirallas got subbed on, of course.

Well Mirallas played in the number 10 position for some reason, despite never ever playing well there, so that wasn't strictly 4-4-2

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I don't know how anyone can keep saying there's no flexibility about Martinez. Even the example you cite underlines the flexibility of approach: he can set us up as one of the most deadly counter-attacking units in the PL when teams come out to pin us back and retain the ball themselves. That's being flexible. And that's besides the way he has had different formations throughout the season and different roles played by different players (good example of that is the way he has McCarthy pressing on a lot more in the past few weeks rather than have him hanging about in a two man DM).

By and large, he seeks to retain possession and find a way passing through the opposition, and this is something that seems to bother people (principally because the end product this season isn't what it was last season). RM today emphasised the need for a number 10 this summer and how such a player is crucial for us, and if we land the right player that should go a long way to putting right the lack of clear cut chances being created and converted. So the manager knows where we're falling down and is intent on doing something about it (something I think he anticipated last season by signing Eto'o who he may have felt could have provided us with that spark of invention, but it didn't go as planned).

I reject he's a manager doing things over and over in blind faith. I don't think there's anything further than the truth.

I disagree, and I'd say the majority have reservations about his lack of "Plan B"...

 

[Furey1878]

Well Mirallas played in the number 10 position for some reason, despite never ever playing well there, so that wasn't strictly 4-4-2

He was playing as a support striker, he wasn't exactly tracking back or coming from deep as a midfielder would.

He's played in that position a few times for us.

 

[dave abrahams]

I think the main gripe is that this season and for most of the season the football Martinez has the team playing is far too
slow, and he hasn't tried to alter this type of style, it's just bored most of us to tears, and although the fans have let him
know this style stinks, he has carried on regardless.

He must have the backing of the chairman so we will see a lot more of this, although the team will see a lot less of the
support, it will eventually drive thousands away and I think it will show with the number of season tickets we sell
between now and the start of next season.

 

[Lowste]

I think the main gripe is that this season and for most of the season the football Martinez has the team playing is far too
slow, and he hasn't tried to alter this type of style, it's just bored most of us to tears, and although the fans have let him
know this style stinks, he has carried on regardless.

He must have the backing of the chairman so we will see a lot more of this, although the team will see a lot less of the
support, it will eventually drive thousands away and I think it will show with the number of season tickets we sell
between now and the start of next season.

Hopefully the ones who don't return will be the core of the ones who boo'd relentlessly

Also a mediocre season will not drive the fan base away, in the main the support is not fickle

Also being bored to tears, who have you been watching for the last god knows how many years....Barcelona or something.

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Hopefully the ones who don't return will be the core of the ones who boo'd relentlessly

Also a mediocre season will not drive the fan base away, in the main the support is not fickle

Also being bored to tears, who have you been watching for the last god knows how many years....Barcelona or something.

I can't remember all this relentless booing.

 

[Lowste]

I can't remember all this relentless booing.

You hard of hearing

 

[blue61]

I can't remember all this relentless booing.

It was so relentless in one game, the noise woke me up.

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

You hard of hearing

The Kiev game, QPR when we managed to get the ball all the way back to the keeper from an attacking position and.......?

Barely relentless.