Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[bluemangroup]

Immature analogy of a mature analogy there.

I'm just a bit bored of people on both sides of the fence painting the other as blinkered. there are enough hysterical knee jerking loonies in both camps that neither can honestly portray themselves as mature or balanced.

 

[orchard]

Tbf lids I don't think dave's going to let go until Dixie's statue's reformed into RM and can be touched at will

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

I'm just a bit bored of people on both sides of the fence painting the other as blinkered. there are enough hysterical knee jerking loonies in both camps that neither can honestly portray themselves as mature or balanced.

I quite enjoy all the in fighting and hyperbolic nonsense tbh. Obviously it would be nice if it wasn't caused by Everton being terrible.

 

[bluemangroup]

I quite enjoy all the in fighting and hyperbolic nonsense tbh. Obviously it would be nice if it wasn't caused by Everton being terrible.

Yeah. Beating United reminded me I quite like Everton winning sexy.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

I'm just a bit bored of people on both sides of the fence painting the other as blinkered. there are enough hysterical knee jerking loonies in both camps that neither can honestly portray themselves as mature or balanced.

tbf I have never taken anything on any forum to be mature or balanced.....including myself.

browns shoes out !

 

[bluemangroup]

tbf I have never taken anything on any forum to be mature or balanced.....including myself.

browns shoes out !

I'm sick of you and your flippant ilk.

Kneejerkers out

 

[formerly manx toffee]

I'm sick of you and your flippant ilk.

Kneejerkers out

I agree.

In Bobby we Trust

 

[bluemangroup]

I agree.

In Bobby we Trust

Neggerated.

 

[Kiwi]

This season is the making or the breaking of the man

 

[TrixyStevens]

He's a spoofer but I'd give him some time to get players in the summer with a good pre-season and judge him after the 1st quarter of the new season.

If nothing has changed, bin the fugazi. X

 

[Toffeelover]

Yeah. Beating United reminded me I quite like Everton winning sexy.

Too few times this year though!

 

[Toffeelover]

This season is the making or the breaking of the man

From all the posts Kiwi, I was under the impression it was to be the next season.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

Something we know to be untrue already.

Why cant they just leave it at thanking Robert for the trophy he got for them and leave it at that?

Wigan with the FA Cup FFS! You'd think they'd just be grateful and keep their inane criticisms to themselves.

"He won the FA Cup for us - or first trophy ever - but he didn't get us into the CL booo hooo"

They are very appreciative of everything he done for them, think its a shame they were relegated in the end from a wigan P.O.V.

The general consensus now is that Martinez needs to change his Philosophy over a extended period, sometimes we see changes then he reverts to type such as our recent 6 game run followed by villa & sunderland, although some will argue we were unlucky with hitting the post and dominating possession in the Sunderland game. At Wigan we would see him do just enough to stay up but then he would slowly slide back into his philosophy the following season.

My gripe isnt with Martinez completely, its more of the worlds view that football has to be played the barca way - forgetting that barca can do this having Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc in their team. Something were a long way away from.

 

[davek]

Do we?

Although it's near impossible to predict his 11, we do set up the same every single game.

It's only when the opposition is better in possession (Man Utd) does it look any different and we adjust our style out of necessity. If you don't/can't have the ball, you're forced to change.

I maintain;






We've even had Sam bloody Allardyce mocking him;

Sam Allardyce attacks Everton boss Roberto Martinez's lack of flexibility

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...Everton-Roberto-Martinez-West-Ham-flexibility

^ Which made it all the more annoying when he dumped us out the FA Cup...

Do we?

Although it's near impossible to predict his 11, we do set up the same every single game.

It's only when the opposition is better in possession (Man Utd) does it look any different and we adjust our style out of necessity. If you don't/can't have the ball, you're forced to change.

I maintain;






We've even had Sam bloody Allardyce mocking him;

Sam Allardyce attacks Everton boss Roberto Martinez's lack of flexibility

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...Everton-Roberto-Martinez-West-Ham-flexibility

^ Which made it all the more annoying when he dumped us out the FA Cup...

I don't know how anyone can keep saying there's no flexibility about Martinez. Even the example you cite underlines the flexibility of approach: he can set us up as one of the most deadly counter-attacking units in the PL when teams come out to pin us back and retain the ball themselves. That's being flexible. And that's besides the way he has had different formations throughout the season and different roles played by different players (good example of that is the way he has McCarthy pressing on a lot more in the past few weeks rather than have him hanging about in a two man DM).

By and large, he seeks to retain possession and find a way passing through the opposition, and this is something that seems to bother people (principally because the end product this season isn't what it was last season). RM today emphasised the need for a number 10 this summer and how such a player is crucial for us, and if we land the right player that should go a long way to putting right the lack of clear cut chances being created and converted. So the manager knows where we're falling down and is intent on doing something about it (something I think he anticipated last season by signing Eto'o who he may have felt could have provided us with that spark of invention, but it didn't go as planned).

I reject he's a manager doing things over and over in blind faith. I don't think there's anything further than the truth.

 

[davek]

They are very appreciative of everything he done for them, think its a shame they were relegated in the end from a wigan P.O.V.

The general consensus now is that Martinez needs to change his Philosophy over a extended period, sometimes we see changes then he reverts to type such as our recent 6 game run followed by villa & sunderland, although some will argue we were unlucky with hitting the post and dominating possession in the Sunderland game. At Wigan we would see him do just enough to stay up but then he would slowly slide back into his philosophy the following season.

My gripe isnt with Martinez completely, its more of the worlds view that football has to be played the barca way - forgetting that barca can do this having Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc in their team. Something were a long way away from.

He's intent on playing football in OUR tradition, nothing to do with Barcelona. Everton are/were a team that passed the ball rather than go route one. I dont need to tell you it was what clubs like Everton and West Ham and Spurs were known for in that past - a commitment to playing football in the right way.

You don't need Barca quality players to play football either. There are teams like Swansea who's players are all very comfortable on the ball and who can all take a pass, move into space and play a pass. Not too much to ask of any pro in my opinion. The problem is we've had anything but football played in our tradition for a decade and a half and, so there's an infuriating fan impatience to wait for play to develop and moves to work out.

The answer isn't to make the manager do what's alien to him, it's the other way about: for the fans to familiarise themselves with their own club's history and offer some support to a team trying to play football in the right manner again. Give this man time. He's looking to stop one way of football in its tracks and channel us down a new direction with another approach to the game. He deserves everyone's support not constant carping over results and his perceived lack of a Plan B.