Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[Allezfan]

Depends what you class as top talent, we produce some very good players but there not a patch on some of the players spain, germany etc produce. Just we seem to overhype british kids

Genuinely, Terry, Cole, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney have had careers which most playerrs in europe would want.

I agree that the newer generation seems further behind, though

 

[davek]

There are going to be generous helpings of humble pie eaten when this feller eventually gets the boot.

And then it will be " Yeah but I always knew it wouldn't work out....etc, etc."

As it used to say in the AA advert "But he's a really nice man, you know."

This is Everton ffs. And we can't even defend.

Times running out for you and your co-conspirators. There's a big lay off after Sundays game. If Martinez is vulnerable at all it'd be after a reversal on Sunday and the board have two weeks to get someone in if they so wished. If nothing happens early in that break you can bet your bottom dollar that Martinez is with us for the duration....first part of next season at the very least.

 

[kithnou]

I believe @kithnou was, I apologize if he wasn't. Someone posted about us having a ton of internationals and many of them do play for England and Ireland (Ross, Baines, Jags, Stones, James, Seamus, Mcgeady, Gibson, etc)

well yes I was.

 

[davmaher]

Got to agree with chris on this one. Pretty much this exact same team got us our most points and played the best football since the last 80s last year. It couldn't do that and not be considerd one of the best teams in that time period.

It either massively over achieved last year or massively under achieved this cos it's the same team.

I would say the latter. Given that Martinez has called Lukaku, barkley, Stones etc among the best players in europe you'd imagine he would too.

There are other factors that affect comparisons between last year and this, though. The main one, to me, is that other teams have sussed out how to play against us. I also think that last year we had a time when we played as a hybrid of a Moyes/Martinez team, which gave us solidity at the back combined with quick movement and transition in attack. We are now playing more like a pure Martinez team. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt at the moment, but he can't go on like this. Something has to change.

 

[kithnou]

There are other factors that affect comparisons between last year and this, though. The main one, to me, is that other teams have sussed out how to play against us. I also think that last year we had a time when we played as a hybrid of a Moyes/Martinez team, which gave us solidity at the back combined with quick movement and transition in attack. We are now playing more like a pure Martinez team. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt at the moment, but he can't go on like this. Something has to change.

perfect for me this

 

[chicoazul]

I never said they didn't produce talent, just that they're starting to fall behind other Euro nations is all.

They've been falling behind for nearly 50 years now.

England are utter bilge and supported by small town UKIP loving beauts.

 

[USABlue]

@The Equaliser these are what I was responding to with my comment

I don't know how many teams around us have 8 full internationals, 3 young internationals who have represented their country and will do more times in the future, finished 5th last year and have constantly finished in top 8 and have spent £28m on a striker.

I can safely say that we are better, technically that the majority of teams below 8th

Apart from the 2 Belgians, can you remind me which top footballing nation these internationals play for again?

 

[The Equaliser]

I believe @kithnou was, I apologize if he wasn't. Someone posted about us having a ton of internationals and many of them do play for England and Ireland (Ross, Baines, Jags, Stones, James, Seamus, Mcgeady, Gibson, etc)

And we have one that plays for the USA. So just throwing it in there for balance.

 

[sageyefc]

Genuinely, Terry, Cole, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney have had careers which most playerrs in europe would want.

I agree that the newer generation seems further behind, though

Would only class Terry and Cole out of that list that were contenders for best in there positions, and rooney was not far of some of the best on his day

 

[USABlue]

And we have one that plays for the USA. So just throwing it in there for balance.

Exactly and he's been poor this year as well.

 

[Aar_the_Toffees]

The vast majority of Evertonians.

Oh i forgot that marvelous team of Farrelly and Williamson was better than this

Difference is too many other teams are at their best as well. But it think the board issues and today's football have another thread already.

 

[nsno-chris]

There are other factors that affect comparisons between last year and this, though. The main one, to me, is that other teams have sussed out how to play against us. I also think that last year we had a time when we played as a hybrid of a Moyes/Martinez team, which gave us solidity at the back combined with quick movement and transition in attack. We are now playing more like a pure Martinez team. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt at the moment, but he can't go on like this. Something has to change.

This is spot on, from the start of the season I've said numerous times that teams i've figured us out. Press us high and sit deep, we've been unable to combat it, and neither has the manager.

The dross he put out over xmas firmly made my mind up on the situation. I understand that people are willing to give him longer, just not me.

We all want the best for everton

 

[The Equaliser]

Times running out for you and your co-conspirators. There's a big lay off after Sundays game. If Martinez is vulnerable at all it'd be after a reversal on Sunday and the board have two weeks to get someone in if they so wished. If nothing happens early in that break you can bet your bottom dollar that Martinez is with us for the duration....first part of next season at the very least.

I've set my plotters alarm clock for June now, although the snooze function is operative until the autumn.

 

[kithnou]

Genuinely, Terry, Cole, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney have had careers which most playerrs in europe would want.

I agree that the newer generation seems further behind, though

Agree, and to be honest I think internationally England are poor because the likes of Gerrard and Lampard are way overrated, and don't perform on the international level.

 

[nsno-chris]

Difference is too many other teams are at their best as well. But it think the board issues and today's football have another thread already.

Do you think that Stoke have a squad as good as ours