Martinez Sentiment Poll: In or Out

[The Equaliser]

Exactly and he's been poor this year as well.

I think the point here is that the nationalities of the players in irrelevant.

 

[Elong]

Genuinely, Terry, Cole, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney have had careers which most playerrs in europe would want.

I agree that the newer generation seems further behind, though

David Beckham had a better career than all of them.

 

[Allezfan]

There are other factors that affect comparisons between last year and this, though. The main one, to me, is that other teams have sussed out how to play against us. I also think that last year we had a time when we played as a hybrid of a Moyes/Martinez team, which gave us solidity at the back combined with quick movement and transition in attack. We are now playing more like a pure Martinez team. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt at the moment, but he can't go on like this. Something has to change.

But that's agreeing with me, basically.

This squad did well last year but badly this.

You can either argue that this year is their true level and last year was over achieving due to tactics and motivation, that last year is their true level and this year is under achieving due to tactics and motivation or both years is their true level they just got older and fell of a cliff during the summer.

I think the second of those three options is true, the guy I was arguing with thinks the first is.

 

[USABlue]

I think the point here is that the nationalities of the players in irrelevant.

I'd agree with that. Was just responding to someone else's post about it. There's boss and gash players from every nation. just like the nationality of the manager is irrelavant for example when Martinez is a "Catalan/spanish clown" and Howard an "american/ yank clown" , why cant they just be clowns haha

 

[Allezfan]

David Beckham had a better career than all of them.

Beckham, Scholes, Shearer, Owen, Campbell etc seem like the prior generation in my head.

The players I mentioned are all still playing, you know. Could drop Rio in there too but I was never that big a fan.

 

[Khalekan]

I have come to the conclusion that many of us, myself included, are in love with the idea of Martinez rather the the reality.

And this is why so many of us refuse to vote him out despite the evidence in front of our eyes on most match days.

We yearn for the buccaneering, urbane, chic manager of last season.

We hate the apparent reality which has been revealed this season.

We thought we had a younger version of Arsene Wenger or Pep Guariola.

Instead we have an ideologue who thinks the world around him is wrong and he alone is right.

It really is very sad.

 

[USABlue]

But that's agreeing with me, basically.

This squad did well last year but badly this.

You can either argue that this year is their true level and last year was over achieving due to tactics and motivation, that last year is their true level and this year is under achieving due to tactics and motivation or both years is their true level they just got older and fell of a cliff during the summer.

I think the second of those three options is true, the guy I was arguing with thinks the first is.

its probably a nice little mix of all three

 

[sageyefc]

But that's agreeing with me, basically.

This squad did well last year but badly this.

You can either argue that this year is their true level and last year was over achieving due to tactics and motivation, that last year is their true level and this year is under achieving due to tactics and motivation or both years is their true level they just got older and fell of a cliff during the summer.

I think the second of those three options is true, the guy I was arguing with thinks the first is.

Think its just been a perfect storm of things. Martinez poor decisions and stubbornness, players letting the team down and alot of individual errors, ageing players finally going to crap, injuries, lack of confidence all season.

 

[Allezfan]

I have come to the conclusion that many of us, myself included, are in love with the idea of Martinez rather the the reality.

And this is why so many of us refuse to vote him out despite the evidence in front of our eyes on most match days.

We yearn for the buccaneering, urbane, chic manager of last season.

We hate the apparent reality which has been revealed this season.

We thought we had a younger version of Arsene Wenger or Pep Guariola.

Instead we have an ideologue who thinks the world around him is wrong and he alone is right.

It really is very sad.

No reason to think this seaosn is the reality and last the mirage rather than vice versa.

 

[Khalekan]

No reason to think this seaosn is the reality and last the mirage rather than vice versa.

Is there not?

 

[USABlue]

Is there not?

thing is there's arguments for both but never gonna know til it happens, hence why many people suggest he at least get the start of next season

 

[Allezfan]

Is there not?

I don't think so, no.

It's an unknown.

 

[The Equaliser]

I don't think so, no.

It's an unknown.

There is more reason to believe the reverse. Continuity helped last season. If we are to have a turn around in fortunes next season it will involve significant changes in both personnel and approach.

Would love to see it happening but unfortunately I can't.

 

[Khalekan]

• I don't think so, no.It's an unknown.

There is more reason to believe the reverse. Continuity helped last season. If we are to have a turn around in fortunes next season it will involve significant changes in both personnel and approach.

Would love to see it happening but unfortunately I can't.

As Donald Rumsfeldt might have put it.

We have known knowns and we have unknown knowns.

Our unknown known is whether this season or last is the true measure of Martinez.

The known known can be summed up in one word.

Wigan.

We had a fleeting glimpse between the Goodison Derby and the Palace home game last season of just how good a Martinez team can be.

We have several years of known knowns at Wigan to go along with what we have witnessed ourselves at Everton this season to show how blooming awful one can be.

 

[The Equaliser]

As Donald Rumsfeldt might have put it.

We have known knowns and we have unknown knowns.

Hahahaha pmsl.