Martinez: No Need To Sell

[Chang Elephant]

ON TOPIC FFS!
All this 'plucky little Everton, punching above their weight, no money' was almost entirely false. How much did Aj cost? £9m. How much did Yakubu cost? £11m. Likewise Bilyaletdinov. How much did Fellaini cost? £15m. Yes, we had some bargain buys, but Moyes (and I'm not turning this into a thread about him) spent shed-loads too.

The only real spend is net spend.

Everything else is just window dressing for "supporters" who enjoy the fans forum and Liverpool Echo insight etc

 

[lmurkder]

I love the way people try and put spin on clear and concise statements.

"No, no, no," said Martinez when asked if he needed to sell to buy. "We were at that stage in the summer.
"But once we had that situation when Marouane and Victor Anichebe left, that gave us the opportunity to reinvest and now we are in a position where we need a bit of continuity and time to squeeze our potential as a team."

Do you not think he means

After I purchased the Wigan players we had no money left to buy. But once we sold fellaini and Anichebe we could buy with money to spare.

 

[lmurkder]

It's hard to believe that with the tv money there was still no transfer budget. Maybe Kenwright's logic was that Fellaini is going, so spend that and see how you get on. I don't think he was ever going to give a new manager £40m or so to spend in one window.

He's actually quite cleverly adjusted expectations so that the fans appreciate that every player has their price without giving the impression that he's actively trying to sell them.

There was purchase of martinez himself.

The three wigan players. That took the tv money.

Then the sale of the two of ours means mcarthy could come in and the club has money in the bank.

 

[lmurkder]

The TV money is not paid in one huge sum at the start of the season, but paid in installments throughout it.

Not if you leverage it through the Cayman Islands.

 

[Rupert's Tower]

I'm pretty certain that the purchases you mention were at one point being funded by a certain Spurs supporter. I have no proof but I think Earl is just an puppet and front for somebody else's share of the club. My opinion of course.

Since those purchases AJ, Yakubu, Fellaini. We haven't seen any big investments other than reinvestment from the sale of a player.

McCarthy £15m max.
Fellaini, victor £33.5m combined.

So we paid £18.5m to loan Lukaku and Barry? Can't see it

Exactly. Even if we paid 3m for Barry (as reported to cover his astronomical wages) and 5m for Lukaku (pulling a figure completely out of the air), we should still have about 10m to spend so I don't understand why people are assuming we're penniless after the last window. The maths don't add up. I'll be disappointed if 1/2 permanent signings aren't made with this money in Jan before it completely disappears by the summer

Btw, Kenwrong did actually give Bobby money before Fellaini, people forget we spent 5m on one Arouna Kone, plus Robles cost anything upto 2m depending on who you believe

 

[billy bluestar]

How do you mean, please?

Feels quite hostile this post, and there's no need.

Please don't criticise our running of this site, which you are using free of charge.

It's not hostile, it's criticism of your opinion. You can dress it up however you like, but to say everton have spent shed loads is fantasy stuff.

Every forum I have ever been on is free. You have others ways of generating income.

 

[1966efc]

"Every forum I have ever been on is free."

C'est vrai. As they say in Dublin.

 

[TheFinnFan]

January will be exciting. I quess we will have some dough to splash

 

[Groucho]

It's not hostile, it's criticism of your opinion. You can dress it up however you like, but to say everton have spent shed loads is fantasy stuff.

Every forum I have ever been on is free. You have others ways of generating income.

So Yakubu, Fellani, Bilyaetdinov, Johnson and McCarthy wee all free transfers then?

Criticise my opinion all you like, it felt hostile to me.

 

[1966efc]

So Yakubu, Fellani, Bilyaetdinov, Johnson and McCarthy wee all free transfers then?

Criticise my opinion all you like, it felt hostile to me.

No idea about the hostility but as to the "spend" issue ... depends what you're talking about. Yes, those players cost money. The net spend, however, is negligible (in Premiership terms).

So you're both right. Which is lovely.

 

[Groucho]

Firstly, billy bluestar, we'll have to agree to disagree - I don't want to cause any tension.

No idea about the hostility but as to the "spend" issue ... depends what you're talking about. Yes, those players cost money. The net spend, however, is negligible (in Premiership terms).

So you're both right. Which is lovely.

That was my point - we may not have spent Man City amounts of cash, but ultimately, we have spent.

And it's obviously good that Martinez is not in a sell-to-buy position.

 

[Jeff Jones]

Yes, we've spent, but the point is that it doesn't compare to the amounts spent by the clubs we're competing with above and
around us.

The money spent on Yakubu, Johnson, Bily, Fellaini and McCarthy was there largely because of sales. 27 million for Rooney, 24
each for Lescott and Fellaini, 10 for Arteta, and 8 or 9 for Johnson.

The profit on those deals alone would've paid for Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Howard, Mirallas, Jelavic, Kone etc easily.

All of those other clubs could find the money to buy Lukaku next Summer, no problem. Everton would find it difficult.

 

[Christiffa25]

Firstly, billy bluestar, we'll have to agree to disagree - I don't want to cause any tension.



That was my point - we may not have spent Man City amounts of cash, but ultimately, we have spent.

And it's obviously good that Martinez is not in a sell-to-buy position.

Are you just arguing for arguing sake?

As others have said the important figure is net spend. Our net spend is lower than nearly all in the league, never mind the big spending clubs were challanging. It brings no credibility to your a point that we spent 9M on AJ or 15M on fellaini when that was only done by selling Rooney and lescott!?!?

The man city's of this world spend 60M on 2 strikers without letting anyone go or at best using this summer as an example only letting one go (tevez) which certainly didn't bring anywhere near that sort of money.

If we'd signed the players you mention without big out goings funding it I'd see your point that we'd spent money on a lesser scale to the big teams. That's not the case we'v always had to lose big players to spend any money.

Without it sounding harsh your point is utterly wrong.

 

[Groucho]

Yes, we've spent, but the point is that it doesn't compare to the amounts spent by the clubs we're competing with above and
around us.

The money spent on Yakubu, Johnson, Bily, Fellaini and McCarthy was there largely because of sales. 27 million for Rooney, 24
each for Lescott and Fellaini, 10 for Arteta, and 8 or 9 for Johnson.

The profit on those deals alone would've paid for Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Howard, Mirallas, Jelavic, Kone etc easily.

All of those other clubs could find the money to buy Lukaku next Summer, no problem. Everton would find it difficult.

Yeah fair enough.

 

[billy bluestar]

Firstly, billy bluestar, we'll have to agree to disagree - I don't want to cause any tension.



That was my point - we may not have spent Man City amounts of cash, but ultimately, we have spent.

And it's obviously good that Martinez is not in a sell-to-buy position.

Okey dokey. Still think your wrong though.