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[Barnfred 55]

I just dont get it.

The BLM stuff have proved a point, got great support/sympathy, and the narrative is they are wronged.

Why on earth they want to destroy that by picking a fight about a war memorial or another statue is literally beyond me.

Most of these will be right wing racists spoiling for a fight. The flags and cenotaph just give them an excuse

 

[Charro]

Ok mate the UK is massively racist and I spend my spare time stopping everyone who isn't as pasty as me from having a shred of enjoyment on these island shores.

That better?

See, there is a middle ground and posts like this show you are far, far from it.

The middle ground acknowledges a sub conscious, institutional racism that has been prevalent in this country and the globe for centuries.

Just because you don’t see or experience it yourself doesn’t mean prejudice doesn’t exist.

This isn’t a left vs right matter, plenty on the right support the cause. It’s a matter of humanity, and fronting up to the society we’ve created that puts black people and minorities on the backfoot whilst we preside over them trying to say and dictate what we think is right and wrong.

Maybe if you didn’t dismiss and concerns from the black community you’d have at least some understanding of what you’re trying to debate here.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I’m really on two minds on it. I hate violence and vandalism and anything like that.

but I can’t stop thinking of the MLK quote:

‘a riot is the language of the unheard’

If the voice is unheard countless times again and again at what point do you just went to [Poor language removed] sh*t up.

I find it hard to condone but not too hard to understand.

if that makes sense.

The cause has my sympathy and I recognise the injustice. But I can't get fully behind it unless it condemns violence and vandalism done in its name by a minority..

 

[Barnfred 55]

I asked the question the other day of what is it they want that will bring this to an end, and I don’t think they or anyone else knows.....it’s now moving onto ‘activists’ v ‘nutters’ just looking for a barney......hope the Police lock them all up....tossers......

Don't bring me into it

 

[Jebus_lives]

It might amplify the message to you but it doesn't to people like me. I can't get behind that and that's why I think it will just split the country even further.

I haven't seen any of this other stuff you speak of so I must have them on ignore.

I don't think their aiming at people like you.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Why is that then.....

Here is a response I made to your mate who asked the same question. I accept it's prejudice but I still stand by it

You'll probably accuse me of prejudice here and you'll be quite right too

The vast majority of paedophiles are men and it is a known fact that they tend to end up working in jobs where they have close proximity to young children. Primary schools are one of, if not the biggest risk areas and I would much rather err on the side of caution. The more female teachers the better as far as I'm concerned.

No doubt you won't agree but guess what? I don't give a flying one

 

[Barnfred 55]

I don't think their aiming at people like you.

Well that's where they are going wrong because it won't take too much to get people on board fully supporting them

 

[The binman chronicles]

Fingers crossed it comes to nothing at the weekend, there was always going to be push back as imho the BLM campaign are targeting superfluous things and when you do it takes the focus away from the actual and more important issues that need to be resolved.

If some of these statues were a meeting point for the EDL, BNP etc. Then I could 100% understand the fact that they need to be torn down, problem is they have now possibly made them a kind of beacon for that side. It's like we have just stepped back 10 years, I said to a friend the other day that I'm getting the feeling we could possibly see rioting again like the terrible ones in 2011 and that news isn't making me more comfortable.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

See, there is a middle ground and posts like this show you are far, far from it.

The middle ground acknowledges a sub conscious, institutional racism that has been prevalent in this country and the globe for centuries.

Just because you don’t see or experience it yourself doesn’t mean prejudice doesn’t exist.

This isn’t a left vs right matter, plenty on the right support the cause. It’s a matter of humanity, and fronting up to the society we’ve created that puts black people and minorities on the backfoot whilst we preside over them trying to say and dictate what we think is right and wrong.

Maybe if you didn’t dismiss and concerns from the black community you’d have at least some understanding of what you’re trying to debate here.

As I mentioned to Mills, I believe the UK to have been a very racist country in all areas of society but speaking as someone under 30 who has mates who are young BAME they dont seem to have experienced the sort of discrimination you hear of older BAME people having had faced. One of my best mates is black and he is high up in a construction company and had the same upbringing as me and as far as I can remember he was a popular lad in school and never had any issues with racism from others.

Maybe in the South/london it may be a different culture I dont know, but I imagine what alot of BAME people feel is discrimination (poverty, lack of opportunity) isnt that far away from what a working class white person experiences growing up in the industrual wastelands of the north.

People can only be oppressed by those with the means to oppress - but the elite in the left/right media distort that to suit their own agendas.

The left media will tell the poor BAME that the reason they are in their position is down to racist whites whilst the right media will tell the poor whites that the reason is down to foreigners stealing their jobs and houses.

BAME were oppressed during the years of Empire but so were whites - during the industrial revolution millions of poor whites worked long hard hours in the mills/factories living in squalor with their children often beaten by the mill supervisors/owners

Poverty and oppression is colour blind and until the majority wake up and realise they are all the same and are being oppressed by the same elite who pit them off against one another will be the day that things could finally change.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Well that's where they are going wrong because it won't take too much to get people on board fully supporting them

Out of interest, could you point me to anything you've written in either this thread or the George Floyd thread that been critical of the police or the actions that have caused the protests?

The initial murder and subsequent reporting, the failure of other police to condemn, the heavy handedness by police in instances throughout the protests, anywhere where you have had UK police proactively give assurance about the difference in policing between UK and US?

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Yep.

They are not the shy and retiring types.

They not the lovable rooftop dancing chimney sweeping howz your farver cor blimey governor pearly king and queen types that we have been led to believe then?

EDIT; I am terribly sorry but I seem to have gotten you mixed up with the other fellow.

Apologies.

 

[Yid4life]

They not the lovable rooftop dancing chimney sweeping howz your farver cor blimey governor pearly king and queen types that we have been led to believe then?

EDIT; I am terribly sorry but I seem to have gotten you mixed up with the other fellow.

Apologies.

Do we all look the same to you?

 

[nsno-chris]

Do we all look the same to you?

which one are you mate??

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Do we all look the same to you?

Yeah sorry, I think the similar accent had me confused.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Out of interest, could you point me to anything you've written in either this thread or the George Floyd thread that been critical of the police or the actions that have caused the protests?

The initial murder and subsequent reporting, the failure of other police to condemn, the heavy handedness by police in instances throughout the protests, anywhere where you have had UK police proactively give assurance about the difference in policing between UK and US?

I've not seen the George Floyd thread so I must have the creator on ignore. However I have seen the video of his death, no murder, and I was shocked and deeply saddened by it. The officers concerned need locking up for life. I think I have put something similar in this thread before but I'm not spending time digging it out just to please you.

I've put nothing adverse in this thread regarding the UK police as I don't think they've done anything wrong since this started. That's not to say that there isn't a history of police prejudice against black people in the U.K.