Current Affairs London Protests

[Yid4life]

I wasnt thinking of your club mate. A few further East spring to mind.

In my experience, West Ham, Millwall and Chelsea yes. Spurs and Woolwich less so.

 

[Yid4life]

Anyway. Pray for torrential rain and keep your fingers crossed.

 

[mill]

I believe the UK was very racist mate from the stories I've heard from the 70/80/90's but I dont think its still as prevalent in society.

I still think it goes on of course but im not sure young BAME growing up face the same discrimination that their parents and certainly grandparents did in this country.

I think alot of problems young BAME face today is the same as many working class whites - poverty and social inequality due to the class system thats still massively prevalent in UK society.

Thats not to say a young BAME wont be racially abused by some mindless idiot or be discriminated by from some unscrupulous employer - but I think those instances are more likely to now be the in the minority and not the majority compared to decades gone by.

The USA on the other hand is a totally different kettle of fish.

You are still talking about this from an ‘individual’ level. I can tell from how you are framing your argument.
I agree with you that individual racism is nowhere near what it was in the past.
and I also agree that there is a lot of intersectionality between class and race.
but I don’t think you quite get what I’m talking about when I refer to institutional racism. I think of it in terms of ‘structural’.

I used the us electoral college and the US election as an example as it’s the cleanest example I could think of.

another was a study (I’ll find the name in a sec) that showed that black males doing their sats were consistently downgraded by their teachers. When the same papers were graded blindly by teachers from another school, the same papers got higher marks.
That’s an example of bias and institutional racism.
Lemme find out the study.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

That doesn't help.

All the London firms have had black chaps at the top table over the years. Even Millwall.

No. You’re conflating their actual crews over the years, with this football lads alliance knackers that we’ve seen in recent years, backing right wing ideologies.

 

[Blues Harp]

Got a bad feeling about Saturday's protest.

Could do with torrential rain.

Wash away the pig ignorant thugs hopefully

 

[Jebus_lives]

And I've told you I haven't seen any. All I'm seeing when I search is people condoning the vandalism if not the violence. I don't think it's wrong for me and people like me to expect them to speak out against it. Despite all your assurances I haven't seen any evidence of this

If you're not able to show me I'm wrong don't even bother replying as we're going round in circles

I honestly CBA. It might matter to you to see everyone protesting to unequivocally condemn the violence (I'm not precisely sure what violence there was that warrants an unequivocal apology), but I'd prefer to engage with the core message rather than seeking apologies from the group fighting against discrimination.

There are people in this thread calling for the army to be sent in to 'do what's necessary' against incredibly angry but peaceful protestors, and you are harping on about organisers of those largely peaceful protests, where hundreds of thousands of people peacefully marched, stopping promotion of their message to condemn a handful of people who committed vandalism and even fewer who will have committed violence. It doesn't harm their message to pull down a statue of a slave trader, it amplifies it.

You continue to focus on the one percent rather than the 99 and enjoy your day...

 

[mill]

I believe the UK was very racist mate from the stories I've heard from the 70/80/90's but I dont think its still as prevalent in society.

I still think it goes on of course but im not sure young BAME growing up face the same discrimination that their parents and certainly grandparents did in this country.

I think alot of problems young BAME face today is the same as many working class whites - poverty and social inequality due to the class system thats still massively prevalent in UK society.

Thats not to say a young BAME wont be racially abused by some mindless idiot or be discriminated by from some unscrupulous employer - but I think those instances are more likely to now be in the minority and not the majority compared to decades gone by - which is why I find these large scale protests in the middle of a global pandemic thats disproportionately affecting BAME people a little misguided (i have no problem with people showing solidarity and support to those in the US by safer means).

The USA on the other hand is a totally different kettle of fish and I do believe their society is as racist now as it was 20/30 years ago.

Test Scores, Subjective Assessment, and Stereotyping of Ethnic Minorities
Simon Burgess and Ellen Greaves

That was the study. It showed that black boys were systematically marked down by their own teachers. And that effect was completely reversed when an examiner from outside the school graded the same papers.

 

[ramacca]

If Tommy Robinson and his followers turn up in London over the weekend, there's more than a fair chance it'll end the same as some of the other times the far right 'organised' themselves against black people.

Lewisham 1977 saw them run out of town and back to New Cross.

London has always mobilised against the far right Mosley's brownshirts in the 1930s, Lewisham 1977 against the NF, Southall 1979

 

[Barnfred 55]

Why is it right 'for good reason'?

You'll probably accuse me of prejudice here and you'll be quite right too

The vast majority of paedophiles are men and it is a known fact that they tend to end up working in jobs where they have close proximity to young children. Primary schools are one of, if not the biggest risk areas and I would much rather err on the side of caution. The more female teachers the better as far as I'm concerned.

No doubt you won't agree but guess what? I don't give a flying one

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You are still talking about this from an ‘individual’ level. I can tell from how you are framing your argument.
I agree with you that individual racism is nowhere near what it was in the past.
and I also agree that there is a lot of intersectionality between class and race.
but I don’t think you quite get what I’m talking about when I refer to institutional racism. I think of it in terms of ‘structural’.

I used the us electoral college and the US election as an example as it’s the cleanest example I could think of.

another was a study (I’ll find the name in a sec) that showed that black males doing their sats were consistently downgraded by their teachers. When the same papers were graded blindly by teachers from another school, the same papers got higher marks.
That’s an example of bias and institutional racism.
Lemme find out the study.

I base alot of my opinions on my own experiences and those who I know and speak to (I have a few mates from my school days who are BAME) so I only give my opinion mate I could be completely wrong on something I certainly aint gonna tell you that your opinion isnt right.

I believe there are good and bad people of all colour, religions and backgrounds I take people as they are - I just dont want there to be further divide from all this carry on.

 

[mill]

I base alot of my opinions on my own experiences and those who I know and speak to (I have a few mates from my school days who are BAME) so I only give my opinion mate I could be completely wrong on something I certainly aint gonna tell you that your opinion isnt right.

I believe there are good and bad people of all colour, religions and backgrounds I take people as they are - I just dont want there to be further divide from all this carry on.

Im totally with you here.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I honestly CBA. It might matter to you to see everyone protesting to unequivocally condemn the violence (I'm not precisely sure what violence there was that warrants an unequivocal apology), but I'd prefer to engage with the core message rather than seeking apologies from the group fighting against discrimination.

There are people in this thread calling for the army to be sent in to 'do what's necessary' against incredibly angry but peaceful protestors, and you are harping on about organisers of those largely peaceful protests, where hundreds of thousands of people peacefully marched, stopping promotion of their message to condemn a handful of people who committed vandalism and even fewer who will have committed violence. It doesn't harm their message to pull down a statue of a slave trader, it amplifies it.

You continue to focus on the one percent rather than the 99 and enjoy your day...

It might amplify the message to you but it doesn't to people like me. I can't get behind that and that's why I think it will just split the country even further.

I haven't seen any of this other stuff you speak of so I must have them on ignore.

 

[Harryflashman]

That helmet TR is going to be in attendance. Not sure I agree it isn’t a race thing, I’ve not seen one non white face in amongst these ‘football lads’ crews.

there are definitely a few black lads in and around it

 

[Barnfred 55]

It'll be interesting to see if the majority peaceful protests from last weekend become violent with intervention from right wing groups looking to protect monuments and statutes.

I hope they have a spokesperson on behalf of the entire group that can assure us it isn't.

I agree

 

[mill]

It might amplify the message to you but it doesn't to people like me. I can't get behind that and that's why I think it will just split the country even further.

I haven't seen any of this other stuff you speak of so I must have them on ignore.

I’m really on two minds on it. I hate violence and vandalism and anything like that.

but I can’t stop thinking of the MLK quote:

‘a riot is the language of the unheard’

If the voice is unheard countless times again and again at what point do you just went to [Poor language removed] sh*t up.

I find it hard to condone but not too hard to understand.

if that makes sense.