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[ForeverBlue92]

You are not in the middle ground. You are saying that institutional racism doesn’t exist. That is not, in any way, the middle ground.

Of course im on the middle ground - you hear one black person say something is racist and believe it and call for change.

Ultimately it is no better than someone told by Tommy Robinson that something isnt racist and believing it without question.

Until Sol Campbell proves to me he doesnt get top jobs because he is Black im afraid im not jumping on a "PL is racist" bandwagon.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I would say the ignorance is on both sides though.

For every uneducated bigot who is racist there is those social warrior types who think everything and everyone is racist.

Sadly the majority of us in the middle ground who call it as they see it are stuck with the daft point scoring that goes on from both sides.

I think you might be confusing your opinion with the middle ground

 

[ForeverBlue92]

The "social warrior types" are fighting against the uneducated bigots though, they are not fighting against everyone.

I don't think there is a middle ground.

And that right there is the problem with the left/right politics

Socialism is Good/Bad

Capitalism is Good/Bad

Something is deffo racist/not racist

There IS a middle ground and often a middle ground is the correct and sensible answer.

You're as blinded by your left politics as those on the right are you just cant see it.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Perhaps because they called for peaceful protests?

How can one person speak out on behalf of the movement when it's a banner by which many people fall under?

They can't.

If they called for peaceful protests it follows that they can speak out when that doesn't happen

 

[Jebus_lives]

Of course im on the middle ground - you hear one black person say something is racist and believe it and call for change.

Ultimately it is no better than someone told by Tommy Robinson that something isnt racist and believing it without question.

Until Sol Campbell proves to me he doesnt get top jobs because he is Black im afraid im not jumping on a "PL is racist" bandwagon.

You have consistently cited the opinions of one black person as reflective of an entire race of people...

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You have consistently cited the opinions of one black person as reflective of an entire race of people...

Im on about Sol Campbell- if he says something it must be true.

Same way if 43% of 1000 BAME people feel aggrieved by not getting a promotion then it deffo means the reason why they weren't given a promotion was down to their ethnicity.

In a court room you would be laughed out for making a judgement based on hearsay/what someone felt.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I don't know if you are from Liverpool yourself - but if you are im shocked you haven't had thousands of folk sing feed the scousers and sign on to you at the matches

I've had a drunken lad in leeds have a pop on a night out years ago because he heard I had a scouse accent

I've been on a train from Birmingham and heard two blokes infront say they hate scouse and manc b******s.

If you haven't stepped out of your house recently you may not have realised some idiots just like to use any excuse to attack someone- be it there skin colour, accent, nationallity, sexual orientation, hair colour, body size.

Do I think most educated employers give a toss about any of those things providing you make them money? Nope

People like Sol Campbell just play the race card when it is not needed - I guarantee if he applied for League 2 / conference side clubs he would get a job but he in the past has gunned for Premier League / Championship jobs with little to no experience and complains when he is turned down that its because he is black.

The fact Chris Hughton gets numerous jobs in this country shows out his excuses as largely rubbish imo.

Good grief what is this...

Try standing in a pub full Irish and Welsh fans in Dublin prior to match and have it announced you are the only English man drinking in their pubs tonight...

Talk about us lefty's being ginger latte drinking snowflakes, a little self reflection won't go a miss.

 

[mill]

Of course im on the middle ground - you hear one black person say something is racist and believe it and call for change.

Ultimately it is no better than someone told by Tommy Robinson that something isnt racist and believing it without question.

Until Sol Campbell proves to me he doesnt get top jobs because he is Black im afraid im not jumping on a "PL is racist" bandwagon.

No. Again, you are wrong. I’m saying that institutional racism exists because of the evidence such as under representation at the upper echelons of society across lots of different disciplines. I’m saying that it exists because I’ve listened to black activists and writers and protesters and friends who have spoken about their own experience which has differed greatly from my own. I’ve seen the lack of representation across arts and media and literature. Im realising how little I know about the history of this country when it comes to racism and the impact people of colour have had on this country that isn’t talked about in schools.

I’m listening to the voices of the many people protesting telling us that it’s a problem.

I’m saying it’s just one of the many prejudices that’s I’ve never had to face because I’m not a person of colour, I’m not gay and I do not have a disability or because I don’t live in poverty.

I’m accepting it’s an issue because the evidence is telling me that it is.

you are saying that all of that, all of those people, all of those statistics, are wrong.

 

[Barnfred 55]

85% of Primary school teachers are women......is that over representation.....

No. That's about right imo and for good reason

 

[Jebus_lives]

If they called for peaceful protests it follows that they can speak out when that doesn't happen

Are you stuck on a loop?

People have condemned it as I have said to you about 5 times. But, they don't speak on behalf of the entire BLM movement - much like, and I'm not particularly comfortable with the comparison, those involved with the Arab Spring didn't have a specific leader who drew it all together. Multiple different organisations and campaigns United around the same idea.

One organisation, in that scenario cannot speak on behalf of every organisation.

The majority of protests were called for as a peaceful action and in the main, as the evidence and the reports from the police show, they were.

 

[Papa Shango]

And that right there is the problem with the left/right politics

Socialism is Good/Bad

Capitalism is Good/Bad

Something is deffo racist/not racist

There IS a middle ground and often a middle ground is the correct and sensible answer.

You're as blinded by your left politics as those on the right are you just cant see it.

I'm pretty much as close to being a communist as you can get without carrying a card.

But if I am "blinded" by anything it will be because I am BAME myself and I think that's fair enough?

Things can't be a "bit racist". For me it can only be intentional or ignorance.

Being in the middle is sitting on the fence and doing nothing. You see it yet you do nothing etc.

I think your compass needs fixing anyway, you have gone from left of middle to middle in the past day or so? Yet a lot of people seem to think you are on the right too? You have the positional awareness of Djibril Sidibe.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Im on about Sol Campbell- if he says something it must be true.

Same way if 43% of 1000 BAME people feel aggrieved by not getting a promotion then it deffo means the reason why they weren't given a promotion was down to their ethnicity.

In a court room you would be laughed out for making a judgement based on hearsay/what someone felt.

For a man who seems to be angry and frustrated at the world for seemingly the smallest of slights, I'm surprised you are struggling to understand the cause of the protests.

 

[Jebus_lives]

No. That's about right imo and for good reason

Why is it right 'for good reason'?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

No. Again, you are wrong. I’m saying that institutional racism exists because of the evidence such as under representation at the upper echelons of society across lots of different disciplines. I’m saying that it exists because I’ve listened to black activists and writers and protesters and friends who have spoken about their own experience which has differed greatly from my own. I’ve seen the lack of representation across arts and media and literature. Im realising how little I know about the history of this country when it comes to racism and the impact people of colour have had on this country that isn’t talked about in schools.

I’m listening to the voices of the many people protesting telling us that it’s a problem.

I’m saying it’s just one of the many prejudices that’s I’ve never had to face because I’m not a person of colour, I’m not gay and I do not have a disability or because I don’t live in poverty.

I’m accepting it’s an issue because the evidence is telling me that it is.

you are saying that all of that, all of those people, all of those statistics, are wrong.

And thats fair enough mate - but thats not 100% evidence of the UK having a massive race problem which you would believe going off these recent protests based on the murder in another country with a proven system of racial inequality and police brutality problems.

Does racism go on in the UK - absolutely
Is racism abhorrent and need stamping out - absolutely

Does that mean everytime a BAME feels aggrieved and claims that something is racist means it is actually racist - not for me.

If Sol proves to me he has been the victim of racism in getting a job in football management I'll be the first to back him as racists are bullies and I hate bullies - but from the numerous things he's said in the past combined with the lack of evidence im very skeptical of his claims.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I'm pretty much as close to being a communist as you can get without carrying a card.

But if I am "blinded" by anything it will be because I am BAME myself and I think that's fair enough?

Things can't be a "bit racist". For me it can only be intentional or ignorance.

Being in the middle is sitting on the fence and doing nothing. You see it yet you do nothing etc.

I think your compass needs fixing anyway, you have gone from left of middle to middle in the past day or so? Yet a lot of people seem to think you are on the right too? You have the positional awareness of Djibril Sidibe.

Im centre left on the economy, probably centrist for everything else apart from crime which im centre right as I cant be doing with criminals getting an easy ride when their victims often suffer a much longer harder sentence.