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[Papa Shango]

yes you keep talking abut my lack of knowledge. So you think my criticisms of islamic society unfair. How have I misrepresented them. Are they not all disdainful of democracy, derisive of free speech, hateful of gays and unfair to women everywhere?

Well what do you actually mean by "Islamic society"?

Jordan for example is fairly "westernized" in terms of how it does things (funnily enough homosexuality was illegal in Jordan under British rule and one of the first laws to change when they became independent was to ditch those laws.

I do think there is a determination to be made between Islamic "society" and Islamic people the same way that Western nations are classed as "christian" when in reality most of the people couldn't give a toss about it. I reckon most regular everyday muslim people would see the things you mention as being wrong which brings us back to extremism.

 

[PhilM]

Well what do you actually mean by "Islamic society"?

Jordan for example is fairly "westernized" in terms of how it does things (funnily enough homosexuality was illegal in Jordan under British rule and one of the first laws to change when they became independent was to ditch those laws.

I do think there is a determination to be made between Islamic "society" and Islamic people the same way that Western nations are classed as "christian" when in reality most of the people couldn't give a toss about it. I reckon most regular everyday muslim people would see the things you mention as being wrong which brings us back to extremism.

I wonder why so many people do not mention and blame the faith of every murderer or rapist in the UK? Or why they only do so when it's a specific faith?

It's like they somehow recognise that in the vast majority of cases faith has nothing to do with a person's actions, but for others it miraculously must do.

I have many friends, colleagues and acquaintances who are Muslims and all, bar none, are great people with no extremist views. Where am I going wrong @Kev50?

 

[mill]

I wonder why so many people do not mention and blame the faith of every murderer or rapist in the UK? Or why they only do so when it's a specific faith?

It's like they somehow recognise that in the vast majority of cases faith has nothing to do with a person's actions, but for others it miraculously must do.

I have many friends, colleagues and acquaintances who are Muslims and all, bar none, are great people with no extremist views. Where am I going wrong @Kev50?

Well that’s your first mistake right there.

 

[PhilM]

Well that’s your first mistake right there.

Millow mate, that's made me chuckle - a lot.

 

[LostLegend]

if you can't see the difference between being gay and living in England, and being gay and living literally anywhere in the Islamic world you are an even bigger fool than I thought.

You know one of the things that winds me up as a gay man, is islamophobes pretending to champion gay rights and use it as a stick to beat Muslims with.

I hope your ire against all things homophobic also extends to the following non-muslim majority countries where homosexuality is illegal and where homosexuals' are persecuted:


Antigua & Barbuda, Bhutan, Burundi, Cameroon, Cook Islands, Dominica, Eritrea, Eswatini, Ethiopia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Malawi, Mauritius, Myanmar, Namibia, Papua New Guinea, Russia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Tanzania, Togo, Tonga, Tuvalu, Uganda, Zambia & Zimbabwe.

 

[Runub]

You know one of the things that winds me up as a gay man, is islamophobes pretending to champion gay rights and use it as a stick to beat Muslims with.

I hope your ire against all things homophobic also extends to the following non-muslim majority countries where homosexuality is illegal and where homosexuals' are persecuted:


Antigua & Barbuda, Bhutan, Burundi, Cameroon, Cook Islands, Dominica, Eritrea, Eswatini, Ethiopia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Malawi, Mauritius, Myanmar, Namibia, Papua New Guinea, Russia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Tanzania, Togo, Tonga, Tuvalu, Uganda, Zambia & Zimbabwe.

Some of those countries listed are a surprise, others not of course. Enlightening

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You know one of the things that winds me up as a gay man, is islamophobes pretending to champion gay rights and use it as a stick to beat Muslims with.

I hope your ire against all things homophobic also extends to the following non-muslim majority countries where homosexuality is illegal and where homosexuals' are persecuted:


Antigua & Barbuda, Bhutan, Burundi, Cameroon, Cook Islands, Dominica, Eritrea, Eswatini, Ethiopia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Malawi, Mauritius, Myanmar, Namibia, Papua New Guinea, Russia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Tanzania, Togo, Tonga, Tuvalu, Uganda, Zambia & Zimbabwe.

Rest assured Kev will have an ample reading list on REFORM for each of said countries social, legal and political systems.

I'm starting to bore myself with this running gag now. I need reform, fo sho.

 

[spectateur]

What about the Japanese in world war 2,

They just crashed their bomb loaded planes into the ships of their enemy.
They didn't blow themselves up in crowded places

 

[Kurt.]

You know one of the things that winds me up as a gay man, is islamophobes pretending to champion gay rights and use it as a stick to beat Muslims with.

I hope your ire against all things homophobic also extends to the following non-muslim majority countries where homosexuality is illegal and where homosexuals' are persecuted:


Antigua & Barbuda, Bhutan, Burundi, Cameroon, Cook Islands, Dominica, Eritrea, Eswatini, Ethiopia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Malawi, Mauritius, Myanmar, Namibia, Papua New Guinea, Russia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Tanzania, Togo, Tonga, Tuvalu, Uganda, Zambia & Zimbabwe.

Wow … so many countries

 

[wandyr79]

I certainly do not separate out the religion from the murders carried out by people who say they are doing it in the name of Allah. That would be perverse. they are inextricably linked. You only need to see how a culture of fear runs thro0ugh our society now thanks to the events in Paris. Who now would run a cartoon of the prophet as a satire. Why not? Because they would be afraid of being murdered. Now you can say, these events have nothing to do with Islam. Even if that is true, they have a direct impact on how Islam is given special treatment through fear and intimidation.

But that may not be true.

As people have called out, religion is not just a simplified teaching and not everybody reads the texts in the same way, not everybody will follow the same rules the same way.

This is one hell of a big reason not to jump on the 'bomb = Islam is at fault' bandwagon. It is extremely shortsighted to think like this. I am not calling you a racist or bigot or whatever, by saying this, but you must understand why people will do so if you are so blinkered to jump on a thread about a bombing and start eulogising about one religion. You can see the connection there can't you.

In conclusion, when an atrocity like this happens, it is best to wait and see what the motives are before acting all 'Religion is all bad' nonsense. I am an atheist so I don't connect religion to anything good or bad, it is intrinsically the person that does it, it is their own brain that causes this, not a book of text. There have been enough people and stories to argue that people who embrace their faith in the right way outnumber the ones that don't and therefore the religion, as a whole, should be kept out of it.

Again, that last point is just drivel, you are basically saying in the face of the evidence, that an incident is not associated to a religion, we should all still fear that religion that had nothing to do with the incident. That is just an unbelievable backwards way of thinking and is the main issue in society. Too many people don't look at evidence, they have their opinion and stick by it.

 

[Runub]

They just crashed their bomb loaded planes into the ships of their enemy.
They didn't blow themselves up in crowded places

I think aircraft carriers had getting on for 6,000 crew in WW2. That's quite a crowd in my opinion but I take your point given that it was a conventional war if there is such a thing

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

I think aircraft carriers had getting on for 6,000 crew in WW2. That's quite a crowd in my opinion but I take your point given that it was a conventional war if there is such a thing

More like 2,500 complement on the largest carriers, but your point stands - a lot of casualties could be caused by one sucide pilot.

 

[ChesterBlue]

You know one of the things that winds me up as a gay man, is islamophobes pretending to champion gay rights and use it as a stick to beat Muslims with.

I hope your ire against all things homophobic also extends to the following non-muslim majority countries where homosexuality is illegal and where homosexuals' are persecuted:


Antigua & Barbuda, Bhutan, Burundi, Cameroon, Cook Islands, Dominica, Eritrea, Eswatini, Ethiopia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Malawi, Mauritius, Myanmar, Namibia, Papua New Guinea, Russia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, Samoa, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Tanzania, Togo, Tonga, Tuvalu, Uganda, Zambia & Zimbabwe.

Always only when it’s convenient isn’t it? I find that often if someone is against a race or religion, then there’s usually a healthy dollop of homophobia, sexism etc.

It’s like the fact the “All Lives Matter” crowd never seem to pipe up when it’s a boat of refugees drowning in the channel, but they pipe up as soon as a black person dares say “Black Lives Matter”

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Always only when it’s convenient isn’t it? I find that often if someone is against a race or religion, then there’s usually a healthy dollop of homophobia, sexism etc.

It’s like the fact the “All Lives Matter” crowd never seem to pipe up when it’s a boat of refugees drowning in the channel, but they pipe up as soon as a black person dares say “Black Lives Matter”

Oh aye, there's a few I know who routinely posted memes on social media about letting immigrants drown during boat crossings, then with no sense of irony started posting All Lives Matter when the BLM protests happened.

 

[tommye]