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[wandyr79]

See this is where the logic is completely flawed.

If it’s just the ‘religion’ that is the problem, then why target women?

Women being the biggest victims of of the religion that’s meant to be the problem here.

Surely, if the issue was the religion then women within it would be treated with compassion rather than subject to abuse.

People who do this will struggle to spell logic.

Joking aside, it is completely warped, like some of the stuff that has been written in here. Man of a certain colour and [assumed] religion suddenly means that everybody of that colour and [assumed] religion must be targeted.

The people who do this are beyond help, hopefully I am wrong and some do come through and educate themselves but I am very doubtful that will be the case. We have our very own example here, so many posts of education, in this thread, completely ignored with just general/vague responses that have no counter evidence or, in some cases, any point whatsoever.

 

[Tubey]

See this is where the logic is completely flawed.

If it’s just the ‘religion’ that is the problem, then why target women?

Women being the biggest victims of of the religion that’s meant to be the problem here.

Surely, if the issue was the religion then women within it would be treated with compassion rather than subject to abuse.

Because of their clothing they are the most identifiable target for idiots.

With men they wouldn't have the ability to determine between a Sikh, Hindu or Muslim as they're all "that foreign lot".

 

[wandyr79]

Because of their clothing they are the most identifiable target for idiots.

With men they wouldn't have the ability to determine between a Sikh, Hindu or Muslim as they're all "that foreign lot".

I very much doubt they can tell the difference between the women as well and it will be just the colour of skin and any type of head covering.

 

[ChesterBlue]

I'm guessing they are seen as an easier target rather than a Muslim lad. Would laugh my ass off if one of them kicked off and put one of the muppets in their place.

it’s like with those bellends who were shouting at the reporters outside of the women’s hospital on Monday - notable they didn’t have the balls to walk around Kenny shouting at people

 

[woodsyni]

it’s like with those bellends who were shouting at the reporters outside of the women’s hospital on Monday - notable they didn’t have the balls to walk around Kenny shouting at people

Wish I could like this twice. Exact same thought went through my head!

 

[Connor mcloud]

All religions have a lunatic fringe. Look at Christian extremists, born again lot, creationists, dup bigots. Loyalist terrorists and the like.
The first suicide bombers of recent times weren't Muslims, they were Hindu, members of the tamil tiger terrorist in Sri Lanka..

What about the Japanese in world war 2,

 

[Connor mcloud]

In the 1960's I played one season in the Heavy Woollen District Sunday League (West Yorkshire). There was one team in the league mostly made up of Catholic Priests, mainly Irish. In a football context, that was the lunatic fringe. They kicked lumps out of anything that moved. Scant consolation at the end of the game when they were all big smiles and handshakes.

They probably all went to confession afterwards, now that would make a good Father Ted sketch

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

it’s like with those bellends who were shouting at the reporters outside of the women’s hospital on Monday - notable they didn’t have the balls to walk around Kenny shouting at people

I can't ever see or hear 'Kenny' without the Shack song playing in my head.

 

[Kev50]

If you look at this thread it is obvious how difficult it is to criticise Islam, in the way that we would have no hesitation in criticising Christianity. It's amazing really. People are endlessly fascinating. You can take a progressive, and ask him to name the principles that matter to him. What would be on that list? Respect for democracy, equality for women, safety for the LGBT community, maybe even the right to say what you think might even make it on there. So you have this aware political person, with his principles above that he will defend to the last. But know this. He will throw each and every one of those principles under the bus if the opposite to those principles is couched in the terms of a 'religion'. If a creed which is anti democratic, treats women like chattels, executes gays, and brooks no opposition at all on pain of death passes the test of being a religion, then the lefty progressive will defend this religion to his dying breath, even if it must result in the denial of everything he holds dear. This article on Ayaan Hirsi Ali covers this phenomenon in greater depth below

Why Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s Criticism of Islam Angers Western Liberals

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a vocal critic of misogyny in the Muslim world, but her advocacy has produced a backlash among Western liberals.

observer.com

 

[Charro]

If you look at this thread it is obvious how difficult it is to criticise Islam, in the way that we would have no hesitation in criticising Christianity. It's amazing really. People are endlessly fascinating. You can take a progressive, and ask him to name the principles that matter to him. What would be on that list? Respect for democracy, equality for women, safety for the LGBT community, maybe even the right to say what you think might even make it on there. So you have this aware political person, with his principles above that he will defend to the last. But know this. He will throw each and every one of those principles under the bus if the opposite to those principles is couched in the terms of a 'religion'. If a creed which is anti democratic, treats women like chattels, executes gays, and brooks no opposition at all on pain of death passes the test of being a religion, then the lefty progressive will defend this religion to his dying breath, even if it must result in the denial of everything he holds dear. This article on Ayaan Hirsi Ali covers this phenomenon in greater depth below

Why Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s Criticism of Islam Angers Western Liberals

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a vocal critic of misogyny in the Muslim world, but her advocacy has produced a backlash among Western liberals.

observer.com

Think it’s more how you put across your argument than the argument you’re putting across.

 

[tsubaki]

If you look at this thread it is obvious how difficult it is to criticise Islam, in the way that we would have no hesitation in criticising Christianity. It's amazing really. People are endlessly fascinating. You can take a progressive, and ask him to name the principles that matter to him. What would be on that list? Respect for democracy, equality for women, safety for the LGBT community, maybe even the right to say what you think might even make it on there. So you have this aware political person, with his principles above that he will defend to the last. But know this. He will throw each and every one of those principles under the bus if the opposite to those principles is couched in the terms of a 'religion'. If a creed which is anti democratic, treats women like chattels, executes gays, and brooks no opposition at all on pain of death passes the test of being a religion, then the lefty progressive will defend this religion to his dying breath, even if it must result in the denial of everything he holds dear. This article on Ayaan Hirsi Ali covers this phenomenon in greater depth below

Why Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s Criticism of Islam Angers Western Liberals

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a vocal critic of misogyny in the Muslim world, but her advocacy has produced a backlash among Western liberals.

observer.com

Arguably this post contains more lies per word than any other in recent memory.

 

[tsubaki]

Think it’s more how you put across your argument than the argument you’re putting across.

His argument is absolutely terrible as well mind, it brings one to mind thoughts of those monks who drew rhinos and giraffes without ever having seen them.

 

[mill]

I can only speak for myself but I’m a lefty progressive and I think all organised religion should be in the bin. Faith and spirituality is a different matter. But organised religion isn’t about faith. It’s about power and control and things like patriarchy. The structures in place are what I have a problem with. I see all organised religions in the same light because they are all the same.

But as I said in my previous post, it’s impossible to disentangle the impact of organised religion from other socio economic factors, aswell as the apparent idiosyncratic factors of this particular case (mental health, trauma etc).

It’s problematic to me that people are so quick to blame *people* of a particular *faith*. Without drawing comparisons with other organised religions and the problems they have (you only have to look at Christianity in the US to see it’s just as big a problem).

I’ve got no problem with debating those things at all. Especially when relevant.

I take issue with the fact that Islam has dominated this particular thread based when the evidence suggests it’s not a major factor. The assumption that it is I find problematic.

 

[Kev50]

His argument is absolutely terrible as well mind, it brings one to mind thoughts of those monks who drew rhinos and giraffes without ever having seen them.

that terrible argument, what is it again? remind me.

 

[Kev50]

Arguably this post contains more lies per word than any other in recent memory.

so many eh. list them.