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The whole process needs reforming. Utter shambles
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Toffeeslam
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So if your religious denomination is Christian you a more likely to be granted asylum ? That is a problem in its own right
Anyways has a motive been established yet ?
That’s really mad if he was here for seven years with no status.
I’ve seen applications for asylum and leave take years, but not that long.
Something, somewhere has gone wrong there.
I’ve seen applications for asylum and leave take years, but not that long.
Something, somewhere has gone wrong there.
Just been reading up on this asylum/Christian conversion thing.
Apparently it's nothing to do with Christians getting better treatment in the application process, but more to do with saying that your life is in danger in your home country as a Christian convert.
Apostacy laws are still a thing in a lot of places and saying that you could be potentially killed or imprisoned for converting faith if you return to your home country you would assume could potentially swing things in your favour.
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Obviously there's nothing in the press atm about this mans origins or indeed if he was 'faking it' for the process. Regardless, the fact that the press has said his application was still 'pending' 7 years later would suggest it didn't work any way IF that was his intent.
Just thought this was worth throwing out there.
Apparently it's nothing to do with Christians getting better treatment in the application process, but more to do with saying that your life is in danger in your home country as a Christian convert.
Apostacy laws are still a thing in a lot of places and saying that you could be potentially killed or imprisoned for converting faith if you return to your home country you would assume could potentially swing things in your favour.
The right to apostasy in the world
Freedom to leave religion is a human right
humanists.international
Obviously there's nothing in the press atm about this mans origins or indeed if he was 'faking it' for the process. Regardless, the fact that the press has said his application was still 'pending' 7 years later would suggest it didn't work any way IF that was his intent.
Just thought this was worth throwing out there.
By the police investigating, no and they are indicating it will take a while.
Doesn’t stop many from being convinced they know the motive though!
As the investigation continues, it's prudent of the police and the security services to be coy in terms of what is and isn't said.
Currently, pretty much everything in the press and going around the public (social media or chit-chat) is conjecture.
Muslim women in Liverpool facing abuse after terror attack
MP says her office have had reports of women wearing hijabs being targeted after blast at Women's Hospital
See this is where the logic is completely flawed.
Muslim women in Liverpool facing abuse after terror attack
MP says her office have had reports of women wearing hijabs being targeted after blast at Women's Hospitalt.co
If it’s just the ‘religion’ that is the problem, then why target women?
Women being the biggest victims of of the religion that’s meant to be the problem here.
Surely, if the issue was the religion then women within it would be treated with compassion rather than subject to abuse.
bluerobert
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That’s the shortsightedness of racism in action mate. I suppose it’s easier for cowards to vent their frustrations and attack a woman then picking on a fella who might stand their ground.
I suppose there’s an element of me that has issue with labelling all women who practice Islam as victims. Some women who practice it don’t see it that way, they believe they chose to follow the religion. Another part of me wonders if that’s a product of the environment and teachings they’ve been brought up to believe.
Then there’s another part of me that thinks about the fact a lot of “Islamic rules” that are misogynistic being more cultural practices in countries Islam happens to be the dominant religion. Like arranged marriages, they aren’t religious. There’s nothing in Islam about that, they’re cultural practices in places like the Indian subcontinent. I think it’s an important distinction to make.
But then things that are part of the religion like men being allowed multiple wives following the prophet Mohammed. I’ve spoken to a few friends who practice the religion who think that isn’t misogynistic as the rules around it are every wife must have equal share of time/assets etc of the husband. Which completely ignores the fact the entire practice is sexist in the first place to allow one set of rules for a man and another for a woman. That’s the definition of misogyny.
I’m sure this isn’t the place for that sort of debate as idiots latch on to the negative aspects of the argument without looking at the wider picture or considering the peace it brings to the probably over 1 billion people who practice it.
It’s all around peoples interpretation I suppose, as far as I’m aware things like covering your face/hair as a woman isn’t in the Quran, it’s an accepted practice people follow because the Prophet Mohammed’s wife’s did it. It’s not a cast iron thing you have to do more of an accepted practice. All I know is as a none Muslim I can see problems within the religion but those specific concerns and not the cultural ones are not my place to raise objections to. I’m not going to change the minds of people who believe in any structured religion
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While not suggesting that there hasn't been a rise, I do wonder if the message she's trying to get across - we need more funding - conveniently fits the narrative.
Has the rise in cases, specifically against women, occurred because of this attack or is it a wider issue - causation or correlation? Is it just against women?
They're requesting Home Office funding and this may be the trigger to facilitate that, which isn't a bad thing if it help the community, but has it been embellished?
To make clear, I am fairly confident that there has been a rise in offences, but my point is that rightly or wrongly this act may help their search for funding.
Oh I definitely agree that politicians will take advantage any situation they can. Absolutely. You see it all the time.
bluerobert
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I’m no expert on these attacks but it would make sense to me that’s the case. I don’t know the figures around these sort of attacks in Liverpool compared to other places in the country but you’d have to imagine it was low even just based on the volume of Muslims that live in the area.
It’s much lower than other parts of the country and maybe the rise in numbers here isn’t accounted for in the local authorities budgets. All it takes is for something like this to happen and those on the edge very quickly flip to the wrong side
I'm guessing they are seen as an easier target rather than a Muslim lad. Would laugh my ass off if one of them kicked off and put one of the muppets in their place.
Muslim women in Liverpool facing abuse after terror attack
MP says her office have had reports of women wearing hijabs being targeted after blast at Women's Hospital
tsubaki
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That would probably lead to yet more calls for “reform”.
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