Leighton baines

[Toffeepot]

Yeah, Belgium must be gutted he made them the world's number 1 ranked national team for 6 years and got them to the SFs of a WC...only failing to get into the final because of that donkey "25 goal a season striker".

You're bankrupt here lad. Stand down.

Southgate did better with England

 

[Rita_Poon]

Southgate did better with England

Lucky draws and bent refs. Obviously.

 

[Nyhus]

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[FTY]

When he was a player Baines struck me as the type that would want nothing to do with footie once he retired

 

[Nyhus]

When he was a player Baines struck me as the type that would want nothing to do with footie once he retired

I always assumed he would start a Beatles tribute band or something.

 

[Tommy Chong]

I always assumed he would start a Beatles tribute band or something.

Well, TBF, the guitar did make a brief appearance:

But I have to assume that the subtle, lasciviousness call of footie whispered ever so delicately to him, like a siren, hidden in the blackness of the night...
And the desire to coach proved to be ever so much more overwhelming than that of making music.

Either that, or he came to terms with the fact that he's a rubbish musician, and binned the whole music thing.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

Didn't Martinez play Baines in midfield at Newcastle away? Apparently it was a last minute decision and nobody knew what was going on. I think that's when players lost confidence in him.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Baines is a legend. Anyone who says otherwise is a thirsty, lying, attention seeking Kopite rat.

 

[windymiller]

Everton should always attempt to play football. Martinez every time because he always got that about us historically and he wouldn't settle for a point when three were available...and that's my mentality too.

Some Evertonians were brought up worshipping false gods. Moyes is the most false god of all.

His period in charge systematically buried Everton's traditions, which is why I for one will never forgive him.

Yes. No contradiction there though. We were in the gutter selling all kinds of players and faced with a PL attempting to throw us into the Championship.

You cant play the beautiful game and play your way out of that scenario Ilm afraid.

"Always" means something different in Widnes, Dave?

 

[PeregrineT]

Yeah, Belgium must be gutted he made them the world's number 1 ranked national team for 6 years and got them to the SFs of a WC...only failing to get into the final because of that donkey "25 goal a season striker".

You're bankrupt here lad. Stand down.

You need to let him go, he's gone for the milk and he's not coming back.

He took Belgium's best talent ever, and lead them to winning absolutely nothing. Their glorious window to win...something, was thrown away.

 

[Blackwell Livermore]

….i recall you suggesting him as a future manager a long-time ago

That was before he exposed Bobby for the clown he is.

 

[davek]

You need to let him go, he's gone for the milk and he's not coming back.

He took Belgium's best talent ever, and lead them to winning absolutely nothing. Their glorious window to win...something, was thrown away.

Yeah, 'failing' to win the World Cup with Europe's version of Wales.

He should hang his head in shame.

 

[kev]

Yeah, 'failing' to win the World Cup with Europe's version of Wales.

He should hang his head in shame.

I think Wales is Europe's version of Wales Dave

 

[Marc bolan]

Who were we playing when Bainsey came up to take a corner and the away fans
All together sang YOUR JUST A [Poor language removed] BRADLEY WIGGINS and he just gave a big
Beaming smile back to them brilliant

 

[wandyr79]

The 'problem' with Martinez for some Everonians was that he didn't want the team to hoof the ball downfield or into Row Z.

He wanted to play football and that got up the noses of people once we weren't;t challenging for a European place.

That ^^^ is the top and bottom of it.

No, that is not the top and bottom of it.

I can't speak for all Evertonians but my problem was that he only had one way of playing. He was stubborn and if there is one thing that that really gets under my skin in football it is the word 'philosophy'. People in football believing that football 'should' be played only one way. Barrow have recently got a new manager. In his first interview he was asked what his philosophy was and his answer was music to my ears, he said 'I don't have a philosophy, well, I suppose my philosophy is to play to win a game of football'. I can't remember it all but it went along the lines of if we have to play defensively then so be it, if we have to play it long then so be it.

In other words, Martinez's way of playing football was as dull as dishwater and was found out in 2 full seasons as easy to contend with. Now, if he had Man City money then he probably would never have been in a position where he could be criticised like he was and is. However, he did not and the players he brought in could not/did not want to play the way he wanted them to (which is also why Dyche has got so much stick). It was turgid stuff, every football fan loves a slick well oiled passing move that leads to a chance. Martinez's style and personnel was just not geared to that. He did not coach the defence to do their main job.

I want a manager who can mix it up a bit, this is where Baines and Moyes comes into it. Moyes is a lot more flexible, and considers the opposition a lot more. Now, you still have to have the main focus on your own team but if a manager or coach sees that a team has a high press then passing it around the back will not work, you have to push them back with long balls over the top of them. If Baines has a voice in this set up then maybe he learned off Martinez but not in the way you would want. His comments were absolutely spot on, no cohesion, no chemistry, just one way of playing that the players were not really comfortable with.

Baines has a group of people who hopefully do not have a 'philosophy'. We know that Moyes doesn't really have one and you would assume that Irvine doesn't, given how much time he spent with Moyes Mk1. You would also assume that the other don't either. Baines is around the right people, and as said if he was coming out with astute comments like he did, when he playing, then he has the right mindset to become a successful coach/manager, the key word is adaptability. The main thing that Martinez lacked while at Everton.