Leighton baines

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OlDirtyBluenose said:
Another Dave thread then 🥱
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It would seem so, I am partly to blame. I generally don't reply anymore but if there is one thing that pulls me in is his undying love for Martinez and this idea that he is the most perfect manager that has ever lived. There is not one criticism and he really does go all cult like on it, it is very, very weird.
 
wandyr79 said:
No, that is not the top and bottom of it.

I can't speak for all Evertonians but my problem was that he only had one way of playing. He was stubborn and if there is one thing that that really gets under my skin in football it is the word 'philosophy'. People in football believing that football 'should' be played only one way. Barrow have recently got a new manager. In his first interview he was asked what his philosophy was and his answer was music to my ears, he said 'I don't have a philosophy, well, I suppose my philosophy is to play to win a game of football'. I can't remember it all but it went along the lines of if we have to play defensively then so be it, if we have to play it long then so be it.

In other words, Martinez's way of playing football was as dull as dishwater and was found out in 2 full seasons as easy to contend with. Now, if he had Man City money then he probably would never have been in a position where he could be criticised like he was and is. However, he did not and the players he brought in could not/did not want to play the way he wanted them to (which is also why Dyche has got so much stick). It was turgid stuff, every football fan loves a slick well oiled passing move that leads to a chance. Martinez's style and personnel was just not geared to that. He did not coach the defence to do their main job.
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You obviously weren't watching closely enough if you think Martinez played just one way.

At home we dominated possession and were patient in build up. But away from home we played on the counter attack a hell of a lot.

wandyr79 said:
I want a manager who can mix it up a bit, this is where Baines and Moyes comes into it. Moyes is a lot more flexible, and considers the opposition a lot more. Now, you still have to have the main focus on your own team but if a manager or coach sees that a team has a high press then passing it around the back will not work, you have to push them back with long balls over the top of them. If Baines has a voice in this set up then maybe he learned off Martinez but not in the way you would want. His comments were absolutely spot on, no cohesion, no chemistry, just one way of playing that the players were not really comfortable with.

Baines has a group of people who hopefully do not have a 'philosophy'. We know that Moyes doesn't really have one and you would assume that Irvine doesn't, given how much time he spent with Moyes Mk1. You would also assume that the other don't either. Baines is around the right people, and as said if he was coming out with astute comments like he did, when he playing, then he has the right mindset to become a successful coach/manager, the key word is adaptability. The main thing that Martinez lacked while at Everton.
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We were playing Wolves without Cunha the other day and that was poor opposition. We had a perfect chance to play out from the back if we wished todo that and to press them very high up the pitch. Were was Moyes' "consideration of the opposition" then?

I think thats all wishful thinking. There's a lot of belief about that Moyes is a rounded out manager now but he really is a risk averse manager and always will be.

As for Baines saying we were allowing Man Utd more space at Wembley then we needed to: that was at the end of his career and he'd have been happy enough being allowed to operate on a wide pitch like that when he was younger. That comment isn't the words of someone astute, it was the words of someone disgruntled with a manager and who wanted him gone...a manager he'd run to the local press to brief behind his back by the way.

I hope if he becomes a manager one day the same happens to him.
 
davek said:
Moyes likes him because he's a cone layer that wont contradict him.

He's Phil Neal to Moyes's Graham Taylor: "Yes, boss...that's right boss".
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Reminds me of Bradley Walsh’s character in Mike Bassett .
I don’t see Baines being like this at all .
 
wandyr79 said:
It would seem so, I am partly to blame. I generally don't reply anymore but if there is one thing that pulls me in is his undying love for Martinez and this idea that he is the most perfect manager that has ever lived. There is not one criticism and he really does go all cult like on it, it is very, very weird.
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Wasn’t just him at the time either

I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a cult of personality around an Everton manager

Baines’ pretty mild comments didn’t just bruise Martinez’s fragile ego, but also enraged the followers that the dear leader had been questioned in some way
 
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