Can you share these posts where people are saying Hamas are good please mate?
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Blue Tumbleweed
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Here's just a little food for thought. hopefully without dipping my toe into 'The Lake of Ostracism'
There Is No Argument For Supporting Israel That's Both Logical And Moral
It's well worth a read, and maybe subscribing to Caitlin's Substack too; if you're that way inclined?
Good wishes and Happy New Year all. I wish that could be said to all the Palestinians the world over...
There Is No Argument For Supporting Israel That's Both Logical And Moral
It's well worth a read, and maybe subscribing to Caitlin's Substack too; if you're that way inclined?
Good wishes and Happy New Year all. I wish that could be said to all the Palestinians the world over...
Spadge Vernacular
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Honest question here, Corky.
Would you have supported the UK doing similar to Ireland as a Israel are to Gaza, after the IRA campaigns of the 70s and 80s?
Would it have been justified?
I'm just trying to understand your position on this.
Blue Tumbleweed
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Hi Corky, and everyone else.
I really value you're sentiments regards not killing civilians and only targeting HAMAS fighters, but that flies in the face of extensive independent journalism, which isn't main stream media BS.
Have you heard about the Hannibal Directive, and the fact that the IDF killed Israeli civilians AND used Israeli citizens as Human 'Shields',
See an excerpt of the later link here;
"" Read Here ""
That the 7 Days investigation reached the conclusion Hannibal was invoked from the top of Israel’s military hierarchy is crucial.
It shows that the reactivation and expansion of the Hannibal Directive that day was not a matter of rogue individual troops or of simple chaos and confusion.
It was a matter of policy.
Orders and chaos
Hannibal was ordered from the top after the generals under the Hakirya building in Tel Aviv realized that Israeli soldiers and settlers all over the Gaza frontier region were being captured en masse.They wanted the captives dead as soon as possible.
Israeli troops in the field had been trained in the procedure for years and immediately understood what they had to do.
A report by a UN commission quotes one tank commander who opened fire at Israeli captives coming from the settlement of Nir Oz.
“Something in my gut feeling made me think that they [his soldiers] could be on them [the vehicles heading to Gaza],” he said. “Yes, I could have killed them, but I decided that this is the right decision. I prefer stopping the abduction so they won’t be taken.”
Ending Israelis’ captivity by killing them is the Hannibal doctrine in a nutshell.
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Here is the full Investigative document here, with many links to videos and podcasts regarding this disgusting doctrine and the events of October 7th
How Israel killed hundreds of its own people on 7 October
By the way, look at what happened to Asa Winstanley after he reported that story.
Counterterrorism police raid home of London journalist
And again, here is another incident of what happens when you speak out against Israel as a journalist; this is Sarah Wilkinson's story.
UK journalist under house arrest on terrorism charges
I think a little bit of balance and context is needed here Corky.
d34noj
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It's brutal mate, ruthless. It's basically used to stop Hamas being able to use hostages and prisoners of war as bargaining chips from my understanding - essentially by killing your own civilians or soldiers to remove the upper hand of the enemy.
Like I say, ruthless.
Blue Tumbleweed
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It's more than that, it's 'evil'. The premeditated killing of a civilian, or even combatant, for nothing more than 'The States' wishes! So, that would be akin to going back to the 'troubles' back in the seventies and eighties to shoot squadies and civvies to stop the IRA having bargaining chips
I wouldn't have condoned it then, and do not condone it now.
What the (Zionist) IDF did was, and is reprehensible, remember the incident where some hostages we killed by IDF forces white under a white flag FFS!
Blue Tumbleweed
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It is a lot more nuanced that that Wat.
The issue is, as far as who I have spoken to, read, and listened to, blames the Zionist-centric school curriculum.
As it's base tenet is that 'the children of Israel' the 12th tribe (as it is known in the Bible) were promised by God, that they were to inherit a land, Palestine or more accurately Trans-Jordan, and following the teachings that everyone gets at school, they believe the Palestinians are sub-human, less than holy, or to coin a phrase Üntermensch. Now I wonder where I've heard that before..?
Two more educational, and non-offensive videos here;
Debunking "Ancient Israel"
NB Note the source of this one; The Times of Israel
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas.
Also there are PDFs and other documents that show that HAMAS was founded by ISRAEL as a direct response to counter the growing political and geo-political power of the PLO under Yasser Arafat.
Then think back to all the atrocities 'allegedly' blamed on HAMAS and or the PLO, e.g. the truck bombing of the US Military encampment in Beirut, which was all along 'controlled' or rather directed by the joint powers of Shin Bet and the Mossad.
It's all wheels within wheels, so ask yourself, following the HAMAS attack on October 7th, cui bono; HAMAS or Bibi Netanyahu and Israel, ergo the USA and allies? Well I can't see Gaza, the West bank, Lebanon, Syria or Iran, or even Yemen benefitting? So that leaves who benefits? (Cui bono, one who stands, or stood, to gain (from a crime, and so might have been responsible for it)?
Good wishes
Spadge Vernacular
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There is no excusing this. No justification at all beyond pure evil. It has haunted me since I first heard it.
www.bbc.co.uk
Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children
Children lying injured in Gaza were picked out and shot by quadcopters, a senior doctor tells MPs.
www.bbc.co.uk
Oh I’m sure someone will be along shortly to excuse it.There is no excusing this. No justification at all beyond pure evil. It has haunted me since I first heard it.
Gaza surgeon describes drones targeting children
Children lying injured in Gaza were picked out and shot by quadcopters, a senior doctor tells MPs.
There is all this talk about peace and negotiations etc, but riddle me this how can Israel be expected to enter negotiations with a terrorist organisation whose only goal is the destruction of the Israeli state?
Why should Israel negotiate with terrorists who still have it's citizens being held captive?
Apparently you are a bad person for having these sort of views. I find it to be a bit baffling and bewildering.
Surely before any negotiations start the hostages need to be released, and guarantees need to be made about the future and security of Israel and it's people?
Well the IRA were not the elected representatives of the Irish people. Hamas were elected into government in Gaza.
I don't want any innocent people being killed in any conflict both real and hypothetical.
Coward.
There is all this talk about peace and negotiations etc, but riddle me this how can Israel be expected to enter negotiations with a terrorist organisation whose only goal is the destruction of the Israeli state?
Why should Israel negotiate with terrorists who still have it's citizens being held captive?
Apparently you are a bad person for having these sort of views. I find it to be a bit baffling and bewildering.
Surely before any negotiations start the hostages need to be released, and guarantees need to be made about the future and security of Israel and it's people?
Blue Tumbleweed
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There is all this talk about peace and negotiations etc, but riddle me this how can Israel be expected to enter negotiations with a terrorist organisation whose only goal is the destruction of the Israeli state?
Why should Israel negotiate with terrorists who still have it's citizens being held captive?
Apparently you are a bad person for having these sort of views. I find it to be a bit baffling and bewildering.
Surely before any negotiations start the hostages need to be released, and guarantees need to be made about the future and security of Israel and it's people?
Corky, genuine question; and No, I'm not having a dig here, are you a Republican?
Also, you do understand that Gaza is a Palestinian Territory, one of two, the other being the West Bank. There are approximately 4.4m people (or were rather, probably about 250K-300K less now), and they live in the West Bank with approximately 5,860Km, while the Gaza strip is only 360Km, and then some space in East Jerusalem.
This is because since 1948, the Jewish settlers contrived to start a war with the indigenous Palestinian population (1st Arab-Israeli war, or the Nakba) Rather than type loads here, there is a link here to the wiki page for the Nakba.
The Nakba
Please note the description of the event in the Text box on the centre right of the top page.
Motive: Anti-Arab racism, Zionism, Settler Colonialism.
Attack type: Ethnic cleansing, forced displacement, dispossession, mass killing, settler colonialism, biological warfare
So, since 1948 the Zionist Israeli state has been stealing land from the Palestinians, building illegal settlements, stole land from sovereign states i.e. Egypt and Syria. Israel has defied over a 130+ UN Resolutions and over 80_ UN Security Council resolutions. Indeed, you mention the ICJ and HAMAS not releasing the hostages (who by the way, the Israeli state are actually targeting so as avoid being held over the proverbial barrel ~ NB this statement has been backed up by endless online commentary and evidence) Netanyahu, has used the October 7th attack (which he probably orchestrated via the Israeli intelligence services to remain in power!) as an excuse to clear the Gaza strip for further Israeli expansion (see the meeting regards the development and construction in the North of Gaza by Israeli developers)
Yet, after Israel has killed over 250,000 in just this latest period of genocide (ethnic cleansing) and reduced Gaza to rubble, you have the temerity to say, all that HAMAS has to do is surrender the hostages, and what do you think would happen once that happens?
Personally, after listening to the fact that Netanyahu won't surrender himself to the ICJ arrest warrant, why should HAMAS surrender the hostages?
After Israel has brutalised, killed, maimed, abducted, kidnapped, harvested organs from Palestinian captives, 'disappeared' Palestinians, switch off power, water and stop food distribution to one of the largest open air concentration camps in the world, and you stand by a psychopathic, war-mongering regime, that thinks of nothing of using snipers to shoot children in the head, or injure children to bring out civilians to be bombed or shot indiscriminately. They think of nothing about lying about the medical services and UNRWA are all HAMAS infiltrated and controlled, and yet again, I refer you to an earlier post that HAMAS is an Israeli Intelligence 'controlled-opposition' organisation as admitted by the Times of Israel (and hundreds of different sources on-line) They then actually target these services and cry 'it was an accident', or they will investigate the incident, but what happens? Absolutely nothing every time.
They actually fire on UN personnel and installations and Israel is always protected by the USA veto vote in the UN Security Council, and again nothing happens...
So, just where is the justification in asking for HAMAS to comply with international law, whilst Israel has been ignoring international law since 1949!?
Yet, you still defend a failing 'illegal' colonial-settler state, which was born out of terrorism and an illegal war; not to mention the killing of British civilians and military personnel.
The Zionists used terrorism to create the illegal state of Israel, then followed the illegal wars, the illegal land grabs, the murder and displacement of thousands upon thousands of Palestinians, and are still doing so.
This is all done in the name of creating space for the Greater Israel State or an increase in the amount of land available or again here's a term for you, Lebensraum, who I wonder who originally coined that phrase..?
Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran are all dominoes which need knocking down for the Zionist payroll masters.
Have a read or a listen to this, but please read the article too;
When The Holocaust Returned It Came Denouncing Anti-Semitism And Wearing A Star Of David
I look forward to your response Corky.
Good wishes my friend
You're doing it again
There is all this talk about peace and negotiations etc, but riddle me this how can Israel be expected to enter negotiations with a terrorist organisation whose only goal is the destruction of the Israeli state?
Why should Israel negotiate with terrorists who still have it's citizens being held captive?
Apparently you are a bad person for having these sort of views. I find it to be a bit baffling and bewildering.
Surely before any negotiations start the hostages need to be released, and guarantees need to be made about the future and security of Israel and it's people?
. Everyone is condemning Hamas. Not one person is supporting them. You keep mentioning people on this very forum supporting Hamas, yet despite both myself and a mod asking you over a dozen times to share those posts, you never do.
If you want a proper conversation (as you regularly claim), then perhaps it is time to drop the "people are supporting hamas" facade and just discuss the issues which are open to debate and where people actually do have differing opinions?
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