Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Armaghtoffee]

Not my words here but it's a valid point i reckon.



The following remarks are from former Irish government minister Alan Shatter.



And from someone else.

Posting things from uncited and unverified sources is worthless. If there isn’t a link then we can only reasonably presume it is made up hate filled fantasy.

 

[tsubaki]

Mate I 100% see where you're coming from, however I don't think they're killing kids deliberately - and I don't believe the figures are remotely close to what Hamas are reporting.

Civilians are dying because Hamas are using houses, schools, mosques and hospitals to fire rockets from. This is documented, and admitted by Hamas themselves.

This isn't rocket science mate, the death toll is greater because human shields are being used - which in itself is forbidden by Protocol 1 of the Geneva Convention, therefore a war crime.

Are they, though? We've had serial reports of this from the IDF and Israeli government without much evidence ever offered in exchange.

 

[WA Toffee]

Of course it's due to bombing hospitals and schools... Because that's where Hamas purposely fire rockets from.

None of this is difficult to understand mate, they're not aiming at children - they're aiming at terrorists hiding behind children, which makes it the fault of the terrorists.

I don't believe Israel are deliberately targetting children, but I do believe they don't care if children get killed, as long as they also get their target.

 

[Toffeepot]

I don't believe Israel are deliberately targetting children, but I do believe they don't care if children get killed, as long as they also get their target.

Besides surgeon reports of children with a single bullet shot to the head they have induced a famine through the denial of access for aid. That is directly targeting children as well as everyone else. No decent person should support this genocidal regime

 

[WA Toffee]

Besides surgeon reports of children with a single bullet shot to the head they have induced a famine through the denial of access for aid. That is directly targeting children as well as everyone else. No decent person should support this genocidal regime

Let's be clear from the outset - I do not support what Israel is doing.

Let's also be clear though, we don't know the context of children being shot. Was it accidental? was it crossfire? was it even Hamas?

If it is soldiers just walking up shooting children (or any civilian), then they are guilty of war crimes and deserve everything they get. If it is a command from higher up, they are also guilty of war crimes and also deserve to be fully punished.

I think we both agree that what is happening is an absolute disgrace and unforgivable, we probably differ only on the nuance about what is intentional and what is haphazard.

To be clear, whether it is intentional or haphazard, it is wrong

 

[Blue 1]

Let's be clear from the outset - I do not support what Israel is doing.

Let's also be clear though, we don't know the context of children being shot. Was it accidental? was it crossfire? was it even Hamas?

If it is soldiers just walking up shooting children (or any civilian), then they are guilty of war crimes and deserve everything they get. If it is a command from higher up, they are also guilty of war crimes and also deserve to be fully punished.

I think we both agree that what is happening is an absolute disgrace and unforgivable, we probably differ only on the nuance about what is intentional and what is haphazard.

To be clear, whether it is intentional or haphazard, it is wrong

Despite there being a huge body of evidence, spanning decades, including the testimony of soldiers, of the IDF deliberately targeting children. Damn.

 

[d34noj]

I am new to this part of the forum and perhaps naive to the discussion, but are you absolving Israel of any agency here?

Absolutely not Chico mate, I've said all along it's inexcusable on both sides.

Besides surgeon reports of children with a single bullet shot to the head they have induced a famine through the denial of access for aid. That is directly targeting children as well as everyone else. No decent person should support this genocidal regime

Mark Perlmutter? No mate.

Are they, though? We've had serial reports of this from the IDF and Israeli government without much evidence ever offered in exchange.

This one is from the UNRWA (again, Hamas affiliated - allegedly), there's hundreds of links, but most are from US intelligence - which is a contradiction in terms. The link about Mark Perlmutter also documents use of hospitals.


Like I say, scumbags all round, it's just picking through the lies and propaganda from both sides - if that's possible. I'm not here 'sticking up for Israel' I'm offering a different viewpoint.

 

[WA Toffee]

Despite there being a huge body of evidence, spanning decades, including the testimony of soldiers, of the IDF deliberately targeting children. Damn.

If that is the case, then I will refer you to the 3rd paragraph of my previous post

 

[NeroCeasar]

'Look everybody! This fella wants Palestinian kids dead'

Is that what you got from that? That's a stretch mate. No, that's not what I think, nor what I said.

What I got from it is, you way not want it but your very much ok with it.
Then you follow up the

How can there be peace now, or anytime soon - when the next generation is already radicalised, and the generation after is being taught to hate Jews in School and murder Jews in Summer Camps.

That makes it sound like you believe there cannot be peace until the next generation is dealt with

 

[NeroCeasar]

The following remarks are from former Irish government minister Alan Shatter.

For context, which is important for our non Irish friends reading this thread it should be noted that Alan Shatter is Jewish. He has a verified history of being anti Palestinian. I should also note that he was an excellent minister whose reforms were vital for the progression of this country

 

[ChesterBlue]

Let's be clear from the outset - I do not support what Israel is doing.

Let's also be clear though, we don't know the context of children being shot. Was it accidental? was it crossfire? was it even Hamas?

If it is soldiers just walking up shooting children (or any civilian), then they are guilty of war crimes and deserve everything they get. If it is a command from higher up, they are also guilty of war crimes and also deserve to be fully punished.

I think we both agree that what is happening is an absolute disgrace and unforgivable, we probably differ only on the nuance about what is intentional and what is haphazard.

To be clear, whether it is intentional or haphazard, it is wrong

You don’t snipe children accidentally, there are massive amounts of documented cases of the IDF deliberately targeting children. Such as IDF soldiers deliberately breaking children’s arms and stamping on their stomachs while saying “These children need to be killed from the day they are born.” The below link is directly quoting a paywalled Haaretz article:

‘These kids need to be killed’: Israel ‘losing its humanity’ in Gaza – Middle East Monitor

www.middleeastmonitor.com

 

[d34noj]

You don’t snipe children accidentally, there are massive amounts of documented cases of the IDF deliberately targeting children. Such as IDF soldiers deliberately breaking children’s arms and stamping on their stomachs while saying “These children need to be killed from the day they are born.” The below link is directly quoting a paywalled Haaretz article:

‘These kids need to be killed’: Israel ‘losing its humanity’ in Gaza – Middle East Monitor

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Read this.

 

[d34noj]

What I got from it is, you way not want it but your very much ok with it.
Then you follow up the

How can there be peace now, or anytime soon - when the next generation is already radicalised, and the generation after is being taught to hate Jews in School and murder Jews in Summer Camps.

That makes it sound like you believe there cannot be peace until the next generation is dealt with

Well 'what you got from it' is wrong. Nobody should be ok with children being killed, radicalised or not - it's not their fault, it's the vermin teaching them that hating anybody to the point of killing yourself in the name of it is wrong.

As for the last paragraph, that's exactly what I'm saying - nobody mentioned killing them all though did they.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

448 days since the hostages were captured by Hamas scum.

 

[NeroCeasar]

As for the last paragraph, that's exactly what I'm saying - nobody mentioned killing them all though did they.

So how would you deal with a radicalised youth?

Do you concede there is a direct correlation between the radicalising of Palestinian youth and what Isreal is doing in Gaza?