d34noj
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Read the next few messages mate.
Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state
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Read the next few messages mate.
Bluerover
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Saw the correction after I posted.
Another common mistake is to say 'appraise' when it should be apprise.
Similar sounding but completely different meanings.
I knew a senior manager at work with whom I had regular dealings, although she wasn't in my Division. She would regularly tell meetings to appraise her of any findings etc
Hadn't the heart to correct her.
For as long as people wish to do harm on Israel and it's people then there will be no peace.
That's just the way i see this situation sadly. In fairness the attacks on Israel started as soon as it was established as a country.
That's just the way i see this situation sadly. In fairness the attacks on Israel started as soon as it was established as a country.
Did someone really call Hamas freedom fighters? There sure isn't much freedom living under that authoritarian terrorist regime.
You can shove "freedom" like that right up where the sun doesn't shine as far as i'm concerned.
You can shove "freedom" like that right up where the sun doesn't shine as far as i'm concerned.
I mean they've killed a lot of LGBT people mate.
Indeed they've also imprisoned a lot of centrist to lefty Israeli citizens too.
I'm opposed to Islamic terrorism, but then if you are you can't really support Israel. They have basically assisted Al Queda into power in Syria, while murdering innocent Muslims in Gaza. That's called being pro Islamic Terrorist and anti-Muslim.
Anto Zionism means that you are against the idea of a Jewish refuge and state, and that therefore in my book makes you an anti semetic.
It seems you are the one with a tiny brain because you accused me of lying about the Synagogue attacks when i was telling the truth.
‘They thought this would never happen here’: attack on Melbourne synagogue revives memories of past atrocities
Torah rescued from destroyed synagogue in second world war was brought to safety in Australia – only to be pulled from firebombed Adass Israel synagogue this weekwww.theguardian.com
A week on, Australia’s Jewish community feeling unsettled, but supported
After a suspected terror attack on a Melbourne synagogue, Jewish Australians reflect on their hopes and fears.www.abc.net.au
It seems you are blissfully and ignorantly unaware of what goes on in the country you reside in.
Being anti-Zionism is very much not opposed to Jewish refuge.
The Palestinian, secular state was happy to provide Jewish people with a refuge. It would have been a lot safer for them than the Zionist state has been (hence why a lot of Israeli citizens are emigrating).
I just thought I'd correct that record, that it's perfectly possible to support a refuge for Jewish people (correctly) and opposed Zionism. Zionism endangers Jewish people.
And if it is your child that is the human shield? You happy for them to get killed as long as we also get the baddie?
NeroCeasar
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Your friends celebrated the 9/11 attacks in New York as well.
Your friends celebrated the 9/11 attacks in New York as well.
NeroCeasar
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I'm now starting to question the much admired Irish education system. It's clear it has failed you miserably because nobody can be this stupid of their own accord.
I'm sorry, but that isn't true. At the time Jews needed refuge from Europe, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Muhammed Amin al-Husseini, was virulent opposed to mass Jewish immigration to Palestine because he had the foresight to see where it would lead.
Additionally, there has never been a Palestinian State ruled by Palestinians. That's not an argument that they should not have one now, by the way.
Class.
d34noj
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The use of human shields is a difficult one mate, if a civilian is complicit - ie. willingly shielding Hamas fighters, they are deemed complicit therefore Hamas themselves. If they're not complicit then they're a hostage, and then an attack falls on proportionality of the target.
Hamas (via spokespeople) 2006: “The citizens will continue defending their pride and houses and will continue to serve as human shields until the enemy will withdraw.”
10 2014: “The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in order to protect their homes, I believe this strategy is proving itself. And we, Hamas, call on our people to adopt this practice.”
11 2014: “Hamas despise those defeatist Palestinians that criticize the high number of civilian casualties. The resistance praises our people…we lead our people to death…I mean, to war.”12
Ismail Haniyeh, former Prime Minister of the Palestinian National Authority (20062014), Head of Hamas Political Bureau in Gaza (since 2017) 2006: Citizens were encouraged to gather at Muhammad Baroud’s house (a prominent PRC combatant) in Jabaliya refugee camp, after the IDF issued a warning. Following the event, Haniyeh stated: “I believe that what has happened tonight will be a role model… an example to our Palestinian people and a clear message, that the [Zionist] aggression will not break our will.”
13 2008: “Israel threatens to bombard houses [in which freedom fighters live], but hundreds and thousands of Palestinians climb to those houses rooftops in the middle of the night to defend those houses.”
Fathi Hamad, Hamas MP 2008: “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry […]. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly and the mujahideen.”
Palestinians are taught at an early age that killing Jews is a great honour, they even have Summer Schools for kids to learn military combat so i'd assume the children are there of their own free will, with the parents knowing full well what's going on.
Here we have a Hamas 'freedom fighter' launching mortars with 17 children behind him.
This is how the propaganda works.
Hamas fire rockets from a school hiding behind children.
Israel fire rockets back, allowed under International Humanitarian Law dependant on proportionality.
Children die.
Hamas issue statement '17 children die in indiscriminate attack on primary school'
People lap it up, crying 'what about all the dead children' - then point the finger at Israel. It's called 'Lawfare' and it's as old as time. First impressions frame the narrative. Public opinion tends to be influenced more by images depicting the suffering of innocent civilians than by well-thought-out legal arguments.
And before @Noisy noise annoys starts - this is in no way an endorsement of dead babies and a justification of the bombings, this is an explanation of why it happens, not that it'll be believed even though this is all taken from direct Hamas quotes, official NATO documents and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) which are both readily available online. Some people are more susceptible to propaganda than others.
I think you are overestimating the mental capacity of children mate. No child is capable of making informed decisions about being a voluntary human shield, and as you say - they are indocrinated from a young age, which means they are practically forced into it.
My opinion is that it is wrong to bomb targets when it is known that there are civilians in the direct firing line.
Bluerover
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AFAIK every Israeli citizen male and female does military service. I met a lovely couple on a flight some years ago and both were crackshots, with many competitive prizes for shooting.
Sad to say I have lost their email address since retiring three years as go, as it was on my work account.
I would love to communicate with them on the current state of affairs, although sadly I suspect they would be fully supportive of the invasion and bombings.
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