d34noj
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10000% mate, i'm in full agreement with everything you've put - however International Humanitarian Law deems it acceptable if the target is of high enough value.
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10000% mate, i'm in full agreement with everything you've put - however International Humanitarian Law deems it acceptable if the target is of high enough value.
d34noj
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My 2p worth is that it's a s***show from every single angle mate. Scumbags doing scumbag things since 1948.
Bluerover
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There are horrible things being done on both sides but no justification for massacring innocent's.
Imagine if the UK reacted to Enniskillen, Birmingham, Guildford etc by flattening the nationalist areas in the Wee 6, including men women and children.
The perpetrators of Bloody Sunday when civilian demonstrators were shot dead in 1972 are still remembered with disgust by all right thinking people nearly 53 years later.
d34noj
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Of course there's not - what do you deem innocent? do you think complicit civilians are 'innocent'? parents so ingrained that they're willing to sacrifice their children to martyrdom?
Atta Najjar, a former police officer under the Palestinian Authority who has a mental disability, was serving a 15-year prison term imposed by a military court after he was arrested in 2009 and subsequently convicted of “collaborating” with Israel. On 22 August 2014, he was taken out from the prison and executed.
“There were marks of torture and bullet shots on his body. His arms and legs were broken… his body was as if you’d put it in a bag and smashed it… His body was riddled with about 30 bullets. He had slaughter marks around his neck, marks of knives… And from behind the head – there was no brain. Empty… It was difficult for us to carry him… He was heavy, like when you put meat in a bag; no bones. His bones were smashed. They broke him in the prison,” said his brother, who retrieved the body from al-Shifa hospital morgue on 22 August 2014.
Eight detainees were still on trial charged with “collaboration” with Israel at the time of their executions. Six others had been awaiting the outcome of appeals against death sentences from a military court in Gaza on the same charges. Two others had been convicted and were serving prison terms when they were executed. Many had been sentenced after trials before courts whose proceedings are grossly unfair. A number had said they had been tortured in order to extract “confessions”.
That's what happens when you refuse your family into the Hamas regime. (This is from Amnesty International not some spurious tweet on Twitter)
That… that was over twenty years ago, how on earth is it relevant? We know for a fact Palestinians didn’t do 9/11…
Additionally, I wonder what the US may have done to make large parts of the world despise them in the 20th century…
d34noj
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That… that was over twenty years ago, how on earth is it relevant? We know for a fact Palestinians didn’t do 9/11…
Additionally, I wonder what the US may have done to make large parts of the world despise them in the 20th century…
Don't think he was blaming them for it mate, he's saying that they celebrated it - like they celebrated the October 7th attacks.
As for the America bit, they're worse than all of the Middle East put together.
All @Cork Evertonian contributes to this thread is deflection through whataboutism.That… that was over twenty years ago, how on earth is it relevant? We know for a fact Palestinians didn’t do 9/11…
Additionally, I wonder what the US may have done to make large parts of the world despise them in the 20th century…
Everything he mentions—like October 7th, anti-LGBTQ rights in other Muslim countries, and 9/11—are things everyone in this thread agrees are wrong, he immediately loses the argument by completely arguing in bad faith,
d34noj
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I think what's happening is @Cork Evertonian is seeing the support for Palestine as an indirect support for Hamas & it's affiliates, where I don't think that's the intention.
Just like a few of the further left-leaning posters see condemnation of sympathetic Palestinians and Hamas as indirect support for Israel & the IDF - which again, I don't think is the case.
Israel has faced accusations and investigations related to violations of IHL though, that's if you believe the ICC findings
Starvation as a method of warfare and targeting of civilian infrastructure are the 2 alleged violations
It's interesting that one of Israel's main arguments against the ICC's findings is that, as a non-signatory to the Rome Statute, they claim the ICC lacks jurisdiction over their actions.
It also argues that Palestine is not a sovereign state under international law, and thus, the ICC cannot legally investigate alleged crimes on its territory.
d34noj
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I actually meant the target as in the person. If the target is believed to be of high-enough ranking in the Hamas organisation, they can deem the loss of 'civilian' life acceptable - and yes, that is appalling.
As for the section about being a non-signatory, I actually agree with that - but only in a legal sense. It's like me being sentenced under Sharia Law when i'm not Muslim. I've not signed up for it, I don't subscribe to your perspective therefore you don't have any authority over my actions. Again, for the hard of hearing in this thread... ONLY IN A LEGAL SENSE.
And the last bit, poppycock.
Emlynsqueakyvoice
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Genocide sympathisers and facilitators. Their supporters are no better.
Bluerover
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International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine - Wikipedia
On 1 January 2015, the Government of The State of Palestine lodged a declaration under article 12(3) of the Rome Statute accepting the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court ("ICC") over alleged crimes committed "in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, since June 13, 2014". On 2 January 2015, The State of Palestine acceded to the Rome Statute by depositing its instrument of accession with the UN Secretary-General.
The Rome Statute entered into force for The State of Palestine on 1 April 2015.
State of Palestine
Bluerover LLB.
Taifi gorm
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FIFA running a tailteann cup next year?
You are correct, I think as a society we have lost the ability to understand nuance - it is now "either or, this or that, black or white" No context, no nuance - just polar opposites.
I don't approve of what Hamas did in October, and I don't approve of Israels response - I think both were wrong. Criticising one does not mean supporting the other.
I think that's true.
I also think that you can't really play "both sides" in this conflict. Israel is the oppressor, and the uncomfortable truth is the state came into being via ethnic cleansing of Jews from Europe, and Palestinians from Palestine, and subsequently Jews from Arab countries. I have Israeli friends, and I care about their safety, and I believe that it will only come about when they take their foot off the Palestinians throats and give up the extremists dream of ", Greater Israel".
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