Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Noisy noise annoys]

Not rejected it, he openly said it wasn’t worthy of a response and that the attack would continue in full force. This is a proposal from their closest allies that they are dismissing.

The reaction from us and the EU should be to immediately suspend the free trade deal, halt any remaining arms supplies and ramp up support for Lebanon. If he still doesn’t react, the US should threaten to do the same. If he still doesn’t change course, the US has to cross the Rubicon and finally accept that their “#1 ally” puts their own interests above anything else, and do the same to them.

I cannot, in my wildest dreams, envisage his happening.

 

[davek]

Basically advocating for Isrealli Lebensraum

Yes. And just like the Nazi racial theory they see Arabs as untermenschen and therefore the land grab is justifiable.

 

[tsubaki]

I cannot, in my wildest dreams, envisage his happening.

The problem is that it has to - the Israeli government is not going to stop for anything else and is probably going to end up creating a coalition of nations dedicated to stopping them by military force.

Erdogan is already calling for this and, if the diplomacy that Qatar and the UAE (and the US and Egypt) been trying has obviously and permanently failed then there will only be two alternatives left to the region - allow a genocide to continue or try to stop it. International law mandates that they stop it, and they have the means to do it, both in terms of potential support and the leverage against Europe (fuel prices).

The country (Israel) as we know it is doomed if the government doesn’t change course.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

The problem is that it has to - the Israeli government is not going to stop for anything else and is probably going to end up creating a coalition of nations dedicated to stopping them by military force.

Erdogan is already calling for this and, if the diplomacy that Qatar and the UAE (and the US and Egypt) been trying has obviously and permanently failed then there will only be two alternatives left to the region - allow a genocide to continue or try to stop it. International law mandates that they stop it, and they have the means to do it, both in terms of potential support and the leverage against Europe (fuel prices).

The country (Israel) as we know it is doomed if the government doesn’t change course.

I sincerely hope you are right

 

[superblue123]

The problem is that it has to - the Israeli government is not going to stop for anything else and is probably going to end up creating a coalition of nations dedicated to stopping them by military force.

Erdogan is already calling for this and, if the diplomacy that Qatar and the UAE (and the US and Egypt) been trying has obviously and permanently failed then there will only be two alternatives left to the region - allow a genocide to continue or try to stop it. International law mandates that they stop it, and they have the means to do it, both in terms of potential support and the leverage against Europe (fuel prices).

The country (Israel) as we know it is doomed if the government doesn’t change course.

You are portraying Israel as Russia here. Israel has responded to Hamas and Hezbollah in both instances since October 7th.
I personally don't see a coalition of nations against Israel from Arab nations. All are more fearful of a nuclear Iran than Israel.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

https://news.sky.com/video/share-13222413

Israel killing women and children in Lebanon

Animals

 

[Zatara]

Minister of Foreign Affairs using ai generated images to justify killing civilians

You could find online the weapons shown in decimated buildings if you want.

Although for you even seeing rockets in rubble may not be enough.

Mate, you're coming across as either a strong Zionist or a barn pot - may be both. You can separate a proportional response to any aggression, and this.

In the past thirty-years, who has killed more: Israel killing Lebanese civilians, or Lebanon killing Israeli civilians? I think you'll know the answer.

It's the same with how Israel responded to Gaza, where a disproportionate number of civilians have been killed, to the point you could question if it's genocidal.

"Proportionate response" ?

What are you calling a "proportionate response" for Oct 7th? What for the Hezbollah rockets and civilian deaths caused?

"Proportionate response" ?

What even is this?

 

[efcste97]

You could find online the weapons shown in decimated buildings if you want.

Although for you even seeing rockets in rubble may not be enough.



"Proportionate response" ?

What are you calling a "proportionate response" for Oct 7th? What for the Hezbollah rockets and civilian deaths caused?

"Proportionate response" ?

What even is this?

Killing 40k and displacing 100,000s isn’t proportionate. I’m hoping we don’t see near those kind of numbers in Lebanon. Yes oct 7 was also disgusting

 

[efcste97]

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

You could find online the weapons shown in decimated buildings if you want.

Although for you even seeing rockets in rubble may not be enough.



"Proportionate response" ?

What are you calling a "proportionate response" for Oct 7th? What for the Hezbollah rockets and civilian deaths caused?

"Proportionate response" ?

What even is this?

Vile racist

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Well over 120 journalists murdered now

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Israel has ‘legitimate problem’ with Hezbollah on border, says Blinken

US secretary of state emphasises he wants diplomatic solution, but remarks unlikely to be seen as warning against Israeli ground offensive

www.theguardian.com

 

[tsubaki]

You are portraying Israel as Russia here. Israel has responded to Hamas and Hezbollah in both instances since October 7th.
I personally don't see a coalition of nations against Israel from Arab nations. All are more fearful of a nuclear Iran than Israel.

What the Israelis have done in Gaza and the West Bank is worse than what Russia has done and is doing in the territories it illegally occupies. Even the maximum estimate of Ukrainian civilian deaths over nearly three years of war (11000 dead and 11000 missing) is nearly half that of the reported Gaza death toll (which itself is probably an underestimate) in less than a year.

Furthermore the decades-long defiance of international law by successive IsraelI governments has helped weaken the international legal system so much. Acts by Western powers (Iraq, Libya) have helped too.

As for the choice between Iran and Israel, I am sure the Arab states would say neither but at least they have meaningful relations with Iran; the UAE and Saudi are now in BRICS with them etc. The Israeli government of Netanyahu has never once entered into negotiations honestly or respected the process; they don’t even treat the state whose support is vital to their survival with any degree of respect so the Arabs have no chance. They sign deals they revoke literally the moment they get home; the “deal of the century” of the Abraham Accords failed the moment Netanyahu was asked to take into account the wishes of the other side.

 

[ChesterBlue]

You could find online the weapons shown in decimated buildings if you want.

Although for you even seeing rockets in rubble may not be enough.



"Proportionate response" ?

What are you calling a "proportionate response" for Oct 7th? What for the Hezbollah rockets and civilian deaths caused?

"Proportionate response" ?

What even is this?

Go back to posting football manager wonderkids we’re never ever going to sign in the transfer thread you racist little bell

 

[PhilM]

"Proportionate response" ?

What are you calling a "proportionate response" for Oct 7th? What for the Hezbollah rockets and civilian deaths caused?

"Proportionate response" ?

What even is this?

The response should be corresponding in size and be reasonable to the majority of people, rather than being overly excessive, which I suspect most will say it is.

I've not said October 7th did not deserve a response, but I think you'll now find it difficult to distinguish between the killings of Hamas fighters and civilians.

I'm fairly confident that Israel do not distinguish, or are happy to accept them as collateral, because tens of thousands of civilians have been killed.

Not far off 100,000 have been injured, and you can't be shameful enough to say that anywhere near most are Hamas fighters. In your words, 'What even is this?'

Would it have been okay in the Six-Day War for Egypt to respond by indiscriminately kill more Israeli citizens than IDF members?