Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Are you implying that Washington would use its hold over Israel to create a two state solution?

If so, that's just not going to happen. They could have insisted on that at any time in the past 70 years.
No idea what the end game could or would be. There just has to be a longer term diplomatic solution to all of this, otherwise the circle of destruction will simply continue.

That longer term solution will need the support of other regional powers to assist the Palestinians. The US can play a part in bringing those elements together.
 
In 1982 it was decided that the IDF wouldn't go into Beirut because they'd suffer too many casualties. The IDF know only too well about urban warfare when the venture into Gaza and the West Bank. They only go in limitedly and have a corridor out. If they go deeper into Gaza then they line a long, long line for back up and pull back. Which leaves them very open.
The US brings to the table their experience in Fallujah. They had a 3 to 1 numerical advantage and suffered their worse loss of soldiers. To win they dropped Phospherous munitions and depleted uranium.

It is estimated that Hamas has 40 000 fighters.



The choice the the Israel national government have to consider is, are they prepared lose a lot of soldiers then have its hands tied with the policing aftermath. While other areas, West Bank and the Lebanese border area are/will kick off. Or ....

You also have to factor in whether the US would be willing to let Israel initiate a long bloody protracted ground war in Gaza given the impending US elections. Also you make a valid point that any Israeli incursion into Gaza would immediately open up a northern front with Hezbollah.

The pressure is mounting on Bibi to do the right thing and announce a ceasefire - step back and start looking to get their hostages out.
 
You also have to factor in whether the US would be willing to let Israel initiate a long bloody protracted ground war in Gaza given the impending US elections. Also you make a valid point that any Israeli incursion into Gaza would immediately open up a northern front with Hezbollah.

The pressure is mounting on Bibi to do the right thing and announce a ceasefire - step back and start looking to get their hostages out.
Somebody has to start acting like a grown up...and pretty quick
 
You also have to factor in whether the US would be willing to let Israel initiate a long bloody protracted ground war in Gaza given the impending US elections. Also you make a valid point that any Israeli incursion into Gaza would immediately open up a northern front with Hezbollah.

The pressure is mounting on Bibi to do the right thing and announce a ceasefire - step back and start looking to get their hostages out.

This is exactly what should happen, but they’ve talked themselves into such a corner that only the US (and I mean bipartisan US, not just Biden) being publicly uttered is going to give Bibi enough cover to drop it without paying a price.
 
Are you implying that Washington would use its hold over Israel to create a two state solution?

If so, that's just not going to happen. They could have insisted on that at any time in the past 70 years.

TBF that relationship has always been one where the tail wags the dog; anyone who steps out of line and goes against the lobby (which is to say the Israeli government) gets stomped on, as we are seeing at varying levels across US society nowadays.

It’s almost impossible to see what benefit the US actually gets from its apparent closest ally.
 
TBF that relationship has always been one where the tail wags the dog; anyone who steps out of line and goes against the lobby (which is to say the Israeli government) gets stomped on, as we are seeing at varying levels across US society nowadays.

It’s almost impossible to see what benefit the US actually gets from its apparent closest ally.
The Israelis have a big lobby in the US, and they have one here now too.

But Israel don't exist without the U.S.
 
You also have to factor in whether the US would be willing to let Israel initiate a long bloody protracted ground war in Gaza given the impending US elections. Also you make a valid point that any Israeli incursion into Gaza would immediately open up a northern front with Hezbollah.

The pressure is mounting on Bibi to do the right thing and announce a ceasefire - step back and start looking to get their hostages out.
There's nothing we can do to stop him, any more than we can make the Israelis let fuel into Gaza or turn the power on so that hospitals and desalination plants can function. Israel is a sovereign nation, the only lever we have to pull is foreign aid and we can't do much there with the House functionally closed.

Sanitation conditions are such that disease outbreaks are already starting, and sooner or later we'll start seeing stuff like typhus that will be hard to stay in front of with mere aid trucks. I doubt even a ceasefire will keep Hezbollah from entering the game once that kicks off in earnest. Netanyahu would have to normalize power and the flow of goods into Gaza, and soon, which seems like a remote possibility.

TBF that relationship has always been one where the tail wags the dog; anyone who steps out of line and goes against the lobby (which is to say the Israeli government) gets stomped on, as we are seeing at varying levels across US society nowadays.

It’s almost impossible to see what benefit the US actually gets from its apparent closest ally.
Votes and funding. I ran the math the other day in the POTUS race thread. Neither political party can win the presidency without at least some of the Jewish vote, because states like Pennsylvania, Florida, Arizona and Michigan are in play. They cannot afford to alienate that interest group entirely. Trump has been talking big about Netanyahu, but it's one thing to run your mouth on social media from a sofa, and another to sit behind the Resolute desk.
 
Absolutely. I’ve said earlier in this thread, Germany, France,Britain all got over their wars as time moved on. But continuing terrorism will stop this from happening. NI is in the process of getting over the ‘troubles’ because the terrorists are not currently active…….people need time and peace …..
I genuinely don't know where to start. You've left me speechless.. 😂
 
It's the same principle here how I see it: a regime doing something terrible, but small in the context of the retaliation that takes place against the people it claims to represent but is probably just as unwelcome. To allow the Palestinians to suffer in the name of wiping out Hamas is along the lines of defeating Al Queda and Saddam Hussein. Both ended in terrible wastes of life, and surely we should be learning by now. Unfortunately, we don't.
Keeps the price of dinosaur juice down though
 
Yet they havent even alluded to this.

Just another non-answer.



The answers I have seen Pete are:

A: Israel had it coming
B: Israel should talk to Hamas
C: Send in small units to locate terrorists in a heavily fortified area hidden amongst civilians

Any of these theories would not only enrage the Israeli population but Jews worldwide (and non-Jews). Also how better to look weak to the other nations in the region?



Now change the words for Gaza not Israel.
I'd stay out of this, you clearly hate Muslims and watch extreme right wing propaganda vids. I did answer Pete, actually.
 
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