Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Zelensky, Britain, the yanks and the EU have been shown for what they are over this Israeli siege and bombardment...hypocrites of the worst kind. Backing a rogue state in its quest to bomb Gaza into the stone age and ethnically cleanse the place.

It's over for them as credible voices on Ukraine and any other place they meddle in.
You have been shown to be an imperialist with fascist tendencies. Don't pollute this thread with the same nonsense you have let rip in the Ukraine thread now eh lid.

Adult voices will want peace for both Palestine and Israel and also for Russia to stop their invasion of Ukraine. Neither are topics to troll.
 
It points to the disingenuous insincere morality when you apply the contrasting approach's to the two situations that draw very similar profiles, maybe even inherent institutional discrimination/racism.

Also - what will happen with the inevitable refugee crisis, are we going to see our political institutions open up all our borders to the people of Gaza as we did for the people of Ukraine.
Very good question. I think you know the answer to it as well.

Brown skinned Muslims or White Christians - decisions decisions....
 
You have been shown to be an imperialist with fascist tendencies. Don't pollute this thread with the same nonsense you have let rip in the Ukraine thread now eh lid.

Adult voices will want peace for both Palestine and Israel and also for Russia to stop their invasion of Ukraine. Neither are topics to troll.
I understand your frustration at your world unravelling in the last 7 days, but please don't take it out on me.
 
Zelensky, Britain, the yanks and the EU have been shown for what they are over this Israeli siege and bombardment...hypocrites of the worst kind. Backing a rogue state in its quest to bomb Gaza into the stone age and ethnically cleanse the place.

It's over for them as credible voices on Ukraine and any other place they meddle in.
Also exposes the absolute naivety of the average person. These "leaders" display hypocrisy, double standards and - let's be honest - downright corruption on an almost daily basis.
 
At this time, it might have been helpful show a split of the colours of both israel and Palestine together. Anything taking sides won't help to bring people together, and it is the people of both communities who are suffering.
IMO, religion has no place in sport. Let the athletes compete in the sport of their choice. Anyone interested in religion, get on with it outwith any sport. Equally so for race.

Too much interference and crossed-lines nowadays...
 
It points to the disingenuous insincere morality when you apply the contrasting approach's to the two situations that draw very similar profiles, maybe even inherent institutional racism.

Also - what will happen with tithe inevitable refugee crisis, are we going to see our political institutions open up all our borders to the people of Gaza as we did for the people of Ukraine.
I'm really looking forward to that. I live in Berlin. Germany took in a million Ukrainian refugees. My next door neighbour is a lovely Ukrainian family (a young boy, his mother and grandmother). In February 2022, German volunteers were at the Hauptbahnhof advising newly-arrived refugees and supporting them to find accommodation as soon as they stepped off the trains. There was a huge outpouring of solidarity. People cut down on energy, endured spikes in inflation, and economic instability to support Ukraine and its people - and often got insulted for the privilege by the rather rabid Ukrainian ambassador to Germany at the time who, with some justification but little diplomatic tact, accused the government of dithering (often correctly, sometimes oblivious to historical reality, but always offensively). Having a hot shower was funding Putin's war machine, we were told.

A lot of those volunteers and people, in general, who felt instinctively that supporting these refugees and an occupied country under siege was the right thing to do will now be bemused at why the Palestinians are to be treated differently. Germany's "historical responsibility" to Israel is now perilously close to being an invisibility cloak that covers flagrant human rights abuses, a blank cheque to "do what you like because we are guilty and in no position to admonish you." If there were no votes in helping Ukrainian refugees, there will be less in helping Arab refugees. This may suit the general body politic here as they continue their one-eyed support of Israel. However, it will, in my view, decimate Olaf Scholz's Social Democrats and utterly hobble the Green Party - both of whom have people of conscience in their ranks.

The CDU and AfD will thrive now. There are votes for them in their contradictory position of supporting Israel - unquestioningly - while rejecting any notion of taking in any Arab refugees. Germany will turn more rightward, but any moral leadership that, say, Angela Merkel might have had when she took in over a million Arabs fleeing war in Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan is gone. Ursula stands with Israel without a mere mention of the Palestinian civilians, while Olaf Scholz is a weak disaster as chancellor. You might as well have the real thing - the CDU/CSU - if the nominal "left or centre" is going to behave as cravenly as this.
 
Also exposes the absolute naivety of the average person. These "leaders" display hypocrisy, double standards and - let's be honest - downright corruption on an almost daily basis.

Yep. The handy rule of thumb to apply is: if someone's a leader of any nation - especially an advanced nation - they're almost certainly a liar and corrupt to the core.
 
I'm really looking forward to that. I live in Berlin. Germany took in a million Ukrainian refugees. My next door neighbour is a lovely Ukrainian family (a young boy, his mother and grandmother). In February 2022, German volunteers were at the Hauptbahnhof advising newly-arrived refugees and supporting them to find accommodation as soon as they stepped off the trains. There was a huge outpouring of solidarity. People cut down on energy, endured spikes in inflation, and economic instability to support Ukraine and its people - and often got insulted for the privilege by the rather rabid Ukrainian ambassador to Germany at the time who, with some justification but little diplomatic tact, accused the government of dithering (often correctly, sometimes oblivious to historical reality, but always offensively). Having a hot shower was funding Putin's war machine, we were told.

A lot of those volunteers and people, in general, who felt instinctively that supporting these refugees and an occupied country under siege was the right thing to do will now be bemused at why the Palestinians are to be treated differently. Germany's "historical responsibility" to Israel is now perilously close to being an invisibility cloak that covers flagrant human rights abuses, a blank cheque to "do what you like because we are guilty and in no position to admonish you." If there were no votes in helping Ukrainian refugees, there will be less in helping Arab refugees. This may suit the general body politic here as they continue their one-eyed support of Israel. However, it will, in my view, decimate Olaf Scholz's Social Democrats and utterly hobble the Green Party - both of whom have people of conscience in their ranks.

The CDU and AfD will thrive now. There are votes for them in their contradictory position of supporting Israel - unquestioningly - while rejecting any notion of taking in any Arab refugees. Germany will turn more rightward, but any moral leadership that, say, Angela Merkel might have had when she took in over a million Arabs fleeing war in Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan is gone. Ursula stands with Israel without a mere mention of the Palestinian civilians, while Olaf Scholz is a weak disaster as chancellor. You might as well have the real thing - the CDU/CSU - if the nominal "left or centre" is going to behave as cravenly as this.

Good post mate.

Its good to name this and the over compensation of some countries to the horrors of the past and their involvement in them and how this influences certain countries approach and stance to support in this conflict.

The whole thing is tragically ironic, when you think of Gaza and the West Bank and Ghettos and genralised stereotype leading to violance applied to an ethnic group.

Clearly in the EU there is a diversity of opinion and that very much has a historical context to it when it comes to the treatment of the Jewish community. Not only that Jewish settlers in other countries in the EU and USA now have a significant demographic in those countries (votes etc) and often hold huge influence in commerce, property, banking, politics and business and i dont mean to play up to the lazy stereotype in mentioning that - but they would as opposed to say the Arab community in the Western world. Given that context what country is going to take in 100's of thousands of Arab/Muslim refugees fleeing for their lives or be seen to supporting them.

All these factors are at play and will be at play - if a humanitarian crisis come's to pass and the people of Gaza need to flee.

In a nut shell, the people of Gaza have been given 24 hours to leave at their own risk of death and no other country wants them and they have no where to go, what happens next...................its wrong.
 
More or less a long-form version of what I'm thinking.

The problem here is that democratic governance is almost always reactive, rather than prospective. Biden has staked out his position, in conjunction with his past positions, and can't flip-flop until Israel provides the rationale. Anyone educated on the matter can see what's coming on the present pathway, but we're a tiny minority of the electorate with little media pull. Our voices will get drowned out.
 
So they gave them 6 hours to evacuate more than 1 million people and then they gonna start bombing everyone indiscriminately?
Genuinely wonder how all this is allowed without anyone saying anything, like even for America the most powerful country in the world by far, this would be PR disaster.

What a carnage that gonna be when they finally invade.
 
So they gave them 6 hours to evacuate more than 1 million people and then they gonna start bombing everyone indiscriminately?
Genuinely wonder how all this is allowed without anyone saying anything, like even for America the most powerful country in the world by far, this would be PR disaster.

What a carnage that gonna be when they finally invade.
It’s allowed to happen because Israel has a disproportionate influence in the U.S., U.K. and the EU. And this needs to change.
 
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