Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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Indeed. Now look, we have obviously got off to the wrong start. I’ll admit I love the country in which I was born, the U.K. and I also love the country of my family, the ROI, or Ireland as it was then. I will also admit to being a bit of a pedantic pain in the arse...especially when someone starts throwing insults at me...so if we are going to communicate then let’s at least be civil about it......ok, but that’s up to you.....
No it's up to you. Stop attacking every post I make in response to others with snidey comments if you want to be civil. If you don't like a post, ignore it.
 
This is the second time you have called me a bigot. Do you actually know what it means. Now that was patronising at its best..........

No offense pete. You keep making notes that you have Irish heritage but at the same time you have made some whopper comments about Ireland or condescending posts to those defending Ireland.

so its easy to see why he might think you are you have ill feelings towards our defence of our nation and standing in the EU.

We get it you hate the EU but please less of the silly comments about Ireland will fail or take a hump and say Britain will be fine even though no one cares hows or mentioned they wouldn't especially in a forum about a border.,

I’m not trying to be clever, but as you said you were in the computer industry then you should know that putting in a border/trade/human control system does not require the boundaries of physics to be reinvented in order to manage this type of system. The technology is already available. It may not be off the shelf and indeed may not be available to many commercial fields, but believe me, the technology is available. I can’t do anything about my background and experience I’m afraid. If you wish me to dumb down then I’ll go to a different thread.

We do care about NI, it’s part of the U.K. . It’s true that we may show ignorance and be slow on the uptake, but when it comes to it, we do care. We all understand the GFA and especially the bit where the ROI formally accepted that NI was part of the U.K.

I don’t want to blame the EU for anything, it’s just that at the moment they are the ones who are making things unnecessarily difficult......

Where did i mention an actual border.

Dumb down? what are you on about? If anything you are trying to convince someone in the industry that they are wrong.

I am not just in the "computing industry" as you say. I am in this particular part of the industry. As in Automation and the type of tech required for something like this.

So i know what i am talking about. But sure if you are right and i'm wrong so be it. Getting through to you is a pointless exercise.

The tech is available i never said it wasn't. Its not as "simple" though as you think. You cant simply copy the backend or throw parts together. It requires thought and complex programming solutions to match the readily available software but im sure you knew that right?

Let me be clear i did not insult you or your intelligence i feel though you have an awful habit of dismissing people or like i said above being condescending or being a smart arse
 
What interests ?, peace, trade, growth. What is being denied to them or yourself.......
All of your list are Irish interests that will likely be adversely affected by any sort of border check and by Brexit in general.

You are underestimating how quickly any hindrance to freedom of movement at all, or indeed any monitoring of it, will cause major problems to our politics.

Similarly, the loss of European investment will not be covered by Camp Austerity and the complications of duel regulations is already causing major concern for crucial employers in the North. 2 major established employers in Armagh have already begun establishing bases just over the border and that is deeply worrying albeit sound business sense.

We aren’t some pawn being used at the behest of the EU, our politicians are doing what any other responsible government should be doing and that is protecting it’s own people.
 
'Taking back control of UK borders' is a red line for the UK government and the DUP at the moment. If there were 'technological' solutions then the UK government would have released their report by now. They have had 20 months to draw up an invisible border, so that people and goods can move freely as they do now. And which is enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement. But nothing. It is quite ironic that some are holding up an EU report to show that, 'it can be done'. Even though that report requires border checks on goods and people and runs counter to the GFA.

Either the UK imposes border controls as outlined by May in 2016. Or Northern Ireland has special status and the border is the exact same as today, and as a result protects the GFA. The clock is ticking for the UK government.
 
Me clocking you with your contoband lol
Seriously lorries registration plates, inland revenue computerised bar codes on vehicles - where there's a will there's a way!

There can be no cameras or infrastructure on the border. If the UK imposed it due to WTO rules then would have to deploy the British army to guard the cameras. Thats a very long way from a soft frictionless border isn't it?
 
The tech is available i never said it wasn't. Its not as "simple" though as you think. You cant simply copy the backend or throw parts together. It requires thought and complex programming solutions to match the readily available software but im sure you knew that right?

Let me be clear i did not insult you or your intelligence i feel though you have an awful habit of dismissing people or like i said above being condescending or being a smart arse

So we finally agree that the technology is available, and yes I am familiar with how these products and technologies are ‘brought together’, 40+ years of overseeing complex engineering projects gives a person a little insight. And I’m probably not far off the mark in respect of the cost to put something in place. What you really should have asked was ‘can it be done in time’.........
 
There can be no cameras or infrastructure on the border. If the UK imposed it due to WTO rules then would have to deploy the British army to guard the cameras. Thats a very long way from a soft frictionless border isn't it?
Where's the hard border camera controllers ctv are in a office not stood outside..........
 
So we finally agree that the technology is available, and yes I am familiar with how these products and technologies are ‘brought together’, 40+ years of overseeing complex engineering projects gives a person a little insight. And I’m probably not far off the mark in respect of the cost to put something in place. What you really should have asked was ‘can it be done in time’.........
nobody ever said the technology wasnt available.
 
As an aside, on my way home from work last night I was listening to Marketplace on NPR. It's a business show on public radio here and it has a nightly audience of 15 million people. It's sponsored by 'invest in Northern Ireland'. In this add they are keen to push their European connections. There's no mention of the UK. It seemed from this, presumably government sponsored ad, the focus is still on the European single market.
 
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