It's as clear as daylight. You do not need a passport.
Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit
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It's as clear as daylight. You do not need a passport.
Hence you do not need a hard border then after Brexit!
No you don't. But unfortunately your government is going to have to create one becasue it refuses to compromise on the single market/customs issue.
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Tell that to the DUP and the Tory Brexiteers then!
What do you think should be amended in the Good Friday Agreement and how would you suggest they amend it?
Keep the border as it it is and put a negotiated free trade agreement in place with a open border as I stated people can travel now via Hollyhead in North Wales on the ferry with cars no passports needed so even from the UK Ireland is a open country !
Or tell that to the EU who had nothing to do with the Good Friday agreement!
You admit that even now people from the U.K. Can travel frictionless by sea in cars on ferries without passports to Ireland and the goods travel either way too, the will be a way after Brexit for this to continue in the Good Friday agreement in which the EU played no part of negotiations yet now they are putting their oar in tropical of a non elected Beurocrats like Barnier - it was sorted last time without their input it can be done again with the UK and Ireland North and south telling them how they want it as the UK voted democraticly to leave!
If the three Polictical individuals agree to a deal the EU has to rubber stamp it..........
Depends which airline you use, Aer Lingus allow British and Irish people to fly using other forms of ID.
Yet why the argument of a border when the whole of Ireland is acessable now without a passport?
So you are saying that the Good Friday Agreement doesn't need amending? Fine. Given that 71% of Northern Irish people voted for the Agreement, the highest percentage majority in modern UK electoral history. May said that there wont be a border on the island of Ireland because the north will stay in the customs union and the single market. So no need to negotiate a free trade agreement on the island of Ireland, as there is one there already. If you are saying that there will need to be a free trade agreement between the whole island of Ireland, who will be in the customs union and the single market, and the rest of the UK, it will be conducted by the EU. And is part of the ongoing process, unfortunately, the UK governments position changes by the day if not the hour depending who is the audience.
The UK government have threatened to resort to WTO tariffs on EU goods, that will mean putting them on goods that come from the whole island of Ireland, which will be in the customs union and the single market.
As far as travelling between the island of Ireland and the rest of the UK that is covered by common travel area. That would mean that EU citizens can travel to the south of the island of Ireland and then onto the north and therefore into the UK and if they chose onto the rest of the UK. Free movement of Irish citizens on the island of Ireland, north and south, is guaranteed by the Good Friday Agreement so there cannot be border checks on people. That is unless the UK government wishes to alter, amend or tear up the GFA.
The island of Ireland is proving a very tricky problem to solve for the UK government because of the Good Friday Agreement and the Northern Ireland Act 1989 which guarantees that the ECJ will adjudicate if Stormont passes any law(s) that are not in line with EU law. The UK government will have to repeal this, if they want to take out references to the ECJ, but it comes as part of the Belfast Agreement package signed with the Irish republic, who repealed their laws relating to their claim over the north.
The north of the island of Ireland will end up with special status that allows them to stay in the EU. That is the only feasible way for the rest of the UK to leave the single market and the customs union. As promised by Gove, Rees Mogg, Duncan Smith and Johnson who all haven't siad anything about the island of Ireland as it is too complicated for them to get their heads around. When their Brexit means Brexit rhetoric hits reality they have floundered.
The agreement on the Ireland problem was passed in the first part of the negotiations in December 2017 by the UkAnd the EU and the North the south will do what the bullyboys of the EU dictate!
A deal will be done imo!
May now says, she will pull the UK out of the customs union and the single market. Which goes to show May is not to be trusted as her word means nothing. That is why the negotiations are stalling because May has gone back on her word forced to by the likes of Rees Mogg, Johnson, Duncan Smith, Gove and the DUP in an attempt to stop the civil war in the Tory party. The agreement is more and more looking like special status for Northern Ireland.
You are missing the central point here - the EU and Ireland are on the same side. The EU is not sticking its oar in - it is negotiating on behalf of Ireland in these discussions as a constituent member, so we won't be bullied into accepting what the UK Tory government want. It is your lot who are on your own because you have decided to pack up and leave. The EU are protecting Ireland's interests as they should.
Like your government you say that there will be a way for the present arrangement to continue, without detailing exactly how this is going to work. As the country that wants to leave, the onus is on the UK to come up with the solution. As yet it has failed to do so mostly because the government is in bed with the DUP and is afraid of collapsing. The ball is firmly in the court of the UK government, and they appear to have no idea what to do to next.
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