Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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Armaghtoffee said:
I’m not sure what ‘The Irishman’ is? Newspaper?

Joe, believe me, if there is any sort of border checkpoint in Armagh, the concern will not be of VAT fraud and the black economy. That is a reality based on history and the local zeitgeist.

No matter how Brexit turns out, it will not benefit Ireland but then it was never a concern in the first place.
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The Irishman was a person on a telephone radio debate putting views over as what the hell where the EU interfering for.?.... as the are many differences now and no border is needed both sides love The open border!
And an amendment to the 20 year old Good Friday agreement was not the end of the world as the remainers put it!
 
roydo said:
Ok, let me put it in a different context; the issue all parties have, to try to explain it.

Lets say that Scotland left the UK a few years back, and were given a fast track into the EU as a member state.

Fast forward to now. Would England and Scotland both want the current open border between the countries retained? Or would they want customs and immigration controls that a border between the EU and Non EU countries would have?

The answer to that is what the issue is. The politics in NI/ROI muddies the waters, granted, but the issue is an open or closed border with a non EU country.
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What scenario using Scotland when they voted no to independence,and they accepted it?
They trade more with the UK than the EU by the way on a massive scale!
Only large cbi company's and posh Lords want to defeat Brexit the filthy rich with self interest
 
Joey66 said:
In the background you lose your argument exactly since as the EU been a country no more than a currupt German run Polictical union!
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So how does he lose his argument? Simply because you don't believe him and believe the EU is corrupt. That's nonsense. Once again one mans opinions becomes fact to dispel a discussion.

I hear so many brexiteers say stuff like this.

Why not give us examples of corruptness within the EU.

How about examples were they wronged the people of the UK.

Some of you lot make out they came in and robbed your house.
 
Have to laugh at pro-Brexiters blaming the EU (and ergo Ireland as a constituent member) for threatening to put up the border again, when it is their own selfish and inward looking decision to leave the EU which has caused the problem in the first place.

If you don't want immigration into the UK (which is the main reason you voted to leave) then you are going to have to have a border between the UK and EU to keep a check on it, else Johnny Foreigner will get in through Ireland and take all your jobs and women on you. Imagine that.

You can't have your cake and eat it.
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
Spoken to all 17,410,742 of us have you mate? Sorry but I never got the memo. That's not why I or anyone else i know voted out but yeah carry on with your sweeping generalisations.
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Seriously?

Well okay not for you personally (which I'd expect based on you being a Blue)....

But are you saying immigration wasn't the single biggest issue generally for Leave voters?
 
Charlie Sweet said:
Seriously?

Well okay not for you personally (which I'd expect based on you being a Blue)....

But are you saying immigration wasn't the single biggest issue generally for Leave voters?
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It was one of many reasons people voted out. It was a big reason sure, the biggest though? Not to anyone who I've spoken to. Oh I'm sure they're lots of people who voted for that reason alone but I can only speak for myself and say that having spoken to so many people who all voted out for loads of different reason not one had immigration as their too priority when they voted. Lots of people I know who voted out have been against the EU/Common Market since we joined and still see it as a product of the Conservatives and the right in general.
 
steveojcc said:
So how does he lose his argument? Simply because you don't believe him and believe the EU is corrupt. That's nonsense. Once again one mans opinions becomes fact to dispel a discussion.

I hear so many brexiteers say stuff like this.

Why not give us examples of corruptness within the EU.

How about examples were they wronged the people of the UK.

Some of you lot make out they came in and robbed your house.
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They take 10 billion of our taxes to trade that's robbery!
Also telll me how they sat down around the table to structure the Good Friday agreement they claim it now never heard of them at the time it was the Major / UK government and the USA who facilitated that agreement at the time 20 years ago!
Are you not saying that after Brexit the agreement could not be amended to facillatate trade in a frictionless border ?
As both countries now have different currencies different Vat rates different income tax rates yet trade crosses both borders!
The EU not a country a organisation run by unelected leaders Barnier is one of them not voted for by the public sticks his nose in as he is so scared that if the North prospers with more trade after Brexit the South may call for their referendum!
Both countries want borderless zones as do the UK -
The EU need to let people who are involved get on with it and find a solution as the Good Friday agreement they had very little imput!
 
Joey66 said:
They take 10 billion of our taxes to trade that's robbery!
Also telll me how they sat down around the table to structure the Good Friday agreement they claim it now never heard of them at the time it was the Major / UK government and the USA who facilitated that agreement at the time 20 years ago!
Are you not saying that after Brexit the agreement could not be amended to facillatate trade in a frictionless border ?
As both countries now have different currencies different Vat rates different income tax rates yet trade crosses both borders!
The EU not a country a organisation run by unelected leaders Barnier is one of them not voted for by the public sticks his nose in as he is so scared that if the North prospers with more trade after Brexit the South may call for their referendum!
Both countries want borderless zones as do the UK -
The EU need to let people who are involved get on with it and find a solution as the Good Friday agreement they had very little imput!
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Joey Joey Joey.

Oh Joey.

1. The EU are key to the GFA long-term for many Irish. It protects our rights and takes London out of the driving seat.

2. There's no such thing as a frictionless border. Anyway May has already promised customs union and full alignment as a fall back to any negotiation so there's no argument.
 
Oh Charlie , Charlie proper Charlie -
ere we have on wikipedia the full terms of the Good Friday agreement read through it not once did I read the EU involvement of its conception 20 years ago - also two referendums that were respected {cough}
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement
It does say the UK will work the deal out so why are the EU sticking its oar in ?
is it they want to block Brexit ?
already differences in VAT - tax rates - currencies exist between the North and the South with no border = no problems - typical bullying from the EU! end of!
they were never part of the Good Friday agreement so after 20 years it can be sorted its not the ball and end all of Brexit its a problem for the north the south and UK to facilitate the EU can sod off!
unelected bureaucrats sticking the oar in !
 
Number_25 said:
It's weird isn't it? We're not saying that everyone who voted to leave are racist, just that every racist probably voted to leave.
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So far, remainers are claiming that those voting Brexit were Old, Did not know what they were voting for, Racist and Uneducated. Yet it’s only remainers who couldn’t work out that leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and the ECJ.......truly you couldn’t make this up.......
 
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