Charlie Sweet
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There are those that want to control the number of EU migrants coming into the UK. How can there be controls with an open border on the island of Ireland? It will be the UK that will impose a border on the island of Ireland to control immigration from the EU. Otherwise an EU citizen can go to the south of Ireland and then onto the north and into the rest of the UK. Unless there is an agreed special status this will be a problem for the UK to deal with.
Things could be 'left as they are' but the likes of Rees Mogg, Gove, Johnson and Duncan Smith want to force May to leave the customs union and the single market, even though May has given the Irish and the EU assurances, and control EU immigration. It is a big headache for the UK government.
Charlie Sweet
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Whether directly linked to Brexit or not I do worry about the hate the British gutter press will stir up if the Irish Border issue does indeed derail Brexit in some significant form.
A valid concern.
Conserning that Theresa may be putting Tory expediency ahead of Irish stability.
Irish stability was gained by the good Friday agreement the EU were never involved in those events written negotiations now they are claiming that retrospectively!
LBC this am reckons the border from an Irish callers point of view both sides would never want a hard border as black market goods are a winner for both sides etc etc it's only the EU who are trying to make this a bargaining chip and they did sod all to come up with the original agreement!
Also the are even now differences in Vat - income taxes on the open border different currencies etc been like that for many years no problems arise -
Barney bear wants to sod off and we withdraw our 40 billion offer with his threats as an unelected politician of the EU!
European funding to impoverished areas in Ireland helped to create the will for people to actually sit down and reach a political settlement. Making the lives of people better will reduce their sense of social injustice which was ultimately the cause of the conflict.
Joe, there are Unionist politicians, and supporters, who want the hardest of hard borders. They would happily eat grass if it meant a Trump like Mexico wall running around the six counties.
I am grateful that Europe is in the Irish corner during these negotiations as May cannot be trusted to negotiate with Northern Ireland’s interests in mind.
The Irishman reckons no one in Ireland wants a hard border as it great for contraband going each way with the different Vat - Euros etc so why are the EU sticking their noses into a good Friday agreement they never negotiated yet deem it a important item now because of Brexit?
They are worried the southern Irish if the north rids the shackles of the EU will prosper, as for grants etc we put in 18 million a year and the EU distribution of it is up to them!
The UK pays 10 billion for the single market which remainers claim is free trade!
I would like Ireland to benefit from us leaving with a great ongoing relationship with the south as we are and could become a powerhouse in world trade the EU would hate that!
They are more scared of Southern Ireland leaving the EU in the future along with many other EU countries
roydo
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Cos its an EU border mate. It really is quite simple. Well the problem is anyrate.
ROI and NI want an open border, free movement of goods and people, at a border with a non EU nation. Brexiteers dont want that.
They were not involved with the Good Friday agreement so why rake this up?
They are not a country just a bullyboy organisation - fetch on the 2 no referendum as I think listening medium sized businesses and the public are sick of the restrictions they are trying to bully the UK through a desperate Polictical non elected Barnier being a total bully!
By the way the next EU President unelected !.......
That's why people want Out
roydo
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Ok, let me put it in a different context; the issue all parties have, to try to explain it.
Lets say that Scotland left the UK a few years back, and were given a fast track into the EU as a member state.
Fast forward to now. Would England and Scotland both want the current open border between the countries retained? Or would they want customs and immigration controls that a border between the EU and Non EU countries would have?
The answer to that is what the issue is. The politics in NI/ROI muddies the waters, granted, but the issue is an open or closed border with a non EU country.
It's not rocket science for the UK AND SOUTHERN Ireland to work an agreement out where the EU involved in the Good Friday agreement NO - so why do they get involved in this? It is an Irish border the last time I looked not an EU border explain how now different !
Vat tax all varies now so why are they making !
roydo
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No. Its not.
It is also a land border between the EU and the UK, soon to be a non EU country.
You have said several times its "easy" "not rocket science" to resolve, so go on. How?
Charlie Sweet
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Joey you're completely wrong. I only want to speak for myself here but, as an Irish republican, I saw the EU at the outset as a means to helping both protect the Irish in Northern Ireland and to facilitate a move to a United Ireland at some point in the future.
So the Good Friday Agreement therefore happened within the context of a powerful EU background.
We have learned through painful history never to trust Westminster. Washington DC is too far away and, as we see today, too often led by a very inward looking President and Congress. By contrast Brussels though has been a great ally for over 20 years.
In the background you lose your argument exactly since as the EU been a country no more than a currupt German run Polictical union!
I’m not sure what ‘The Irishman’ is? Newspaper?
Joe, believe me, if there is any sort of border checkpoint in Armagh, the concern will not be of VAT fraud and the black economy. That is a reality based on history and the local zeitgeist.
No matter how Brexit turns out, it will not benefit Ireland but then it was never a concern in the first place.
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