bigbadjeff
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I live in the North of Ireland, I’m British having served in the Royal Navy & the Army. I don’t want anything to do with the south, those of who do have murdered my friends.
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That's the spirit Jeff. Although, I'm from the south and have murdered nobody. Will you not respect the will of the people if a majority vote for it? Democracy and all that.
and yet you probably voted to leave, likely hastening NI's exit from the UK.
You need to clarify this.
You seem to be calling everyone who lives south of the border murderers.
Very narrow minded of you Jeff and the reason there is tension in some quarters.
Claiming everyone south is to blame for the IRA and the troubles is utterly ridiculous.
It would be like all of us claiming that anyone that serves in the British Army is a murderer seen as some of them were no angels either. See where i am going Jeff.
Times have changed, people have changed and holding grudges like this is why there are issues. Labeling an entire nation murderers for the action of a few is mad.
AndyC
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It might be better if you took an extra few seconds in composing your posts before hitting the "post reply" button... in order that you don't make blanket statements such as this that suggests everyone south of the border are murderers.
A. it patently isn't true
B. it's offensive to any number of our forum members who are either Irish themselves or have Irish ancestry.
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Doesn't that presuppose that the EU were in FAVOUR of finding a way to let the UK leave on a deal that was beneficial to all? Which of course is exactly the opposite of what they want?
The Irish government doesn't want a hard border. The Westminster government doesn't want a hard border. The EU has no jurisdiction to impose a hard border, given that one side of the line on the map belongs to a sovereign nation called Eire and the other side belongs to a sovereign nation called the United Kingdom. For good measure, various other countries have pointed out that technology-based solutions to this issue exist, and HMRC were ordered by May to NOT examine any of these solutions.
So no, Brexit does not have to lead to a hard border. It suits the EU to insist otherwise however, and it is downright odious of Barnier, Juncker, Tusk and Verhofstadt to stoke up sectarian ill-feeling in order to push their agenda. The Troubles did not take place because of anything to do with EU membership or lack thereof - they started long before the EU even existed.
roydo
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Which is why I said "In Theory".
The EU have spent the last 2 years negotiating and agreeing a deal to avoid a hard border. Its was rejected by the house of commons.
The DUP, coincidently, are ok with a hard border.
Fixed. The EU have done all they can to make an issue of a hard border; it is a key part of their strategy to prevent Brexit. The "deal" put before the HoC had absolutely no hope whatsoever of passing because it had about a hundred flaws in it - it wasn't rejected out of any desire by anyone to see a hard border imposed.
The DUP are the only people with any skin in the game who are ok with a hard border. Probably the only people full stop. Luckily, their influence will not be the difference maker, and the hard border is not their preferred option anyway - unless the British media have conveniently decided not to report on it at all... which frankly wouldn't surprise me.
Sadly for you Jeff, almost half tthe population in the north of Ireland take a different view.
And as that percentage is growing at a rate of knots you might just have to suck it up sooner than you would like to, old son.
They are not against a hard border.
And there's a big difference between having some skin in the game and being king makers.
If the DUP did not control the UK government, there would be an agreement in place for NI to remain in both the UK and the common market. And Brexit would be proceeding with little fuss while the people of Britain went about their lives with their usual zero interest in the day to day workings of N.Ireland.
Stop blaming the EU, Tree.
The EU didn’t impose the border in Ireland....they did not police it nor put up military fortifications along it for almost a century.
Thus is purely an English problem, made in Westminster.
We have had a hundred years to solve the Irish issue....more in fact, going back to the Home Rule Bill around tge turn of the last century.
The EU cannot be expected to solve it in two years.
But we couldn’t do it politically.....and we couldn’t do it militarily.
Which is why the Good Friday Agreement came about.
Here is the problem we have at Westminster.
Too many Tory MPs and to his shame and my disappointment, the leader of the Labour Party, are buying into the fiction that Northern Ireland is the same as Northern England or Northern Wales.
It is not....nearly half the population there want out of the UK, never mind the EU.
Northern Ireland needs a vastly different Brexit than Great Britain (in actual fact NI needs Brexit like it leads a hole in the head).
And this point should have been made from the getgo.
As it happens it never featured in the arguments put forward during the Referendum campaign.
It is only an issue now because May jumped into bed with the DUP to hang in to power.
Otherwise the first Backstop agreement would have been voted into law a year ago and the Brexiteers would have happily let NI have that status its economy so desperately needs.
And that deal, which was then and the latest deal still is now, backed by the vast majority of people in NI and the entirety of business organisations and trade unions.
Only the arch bigots in the DUP, many of whom would love a Trump style wall around the six counties, stymied May and Barnier concluding a deal at the end of 2017 and you Brexiteers would be home and hosed niw, looking firward to March 29th.
Instead the DUP has been allowed to infiltrate the Tory Party and this country is tearing itself apart due to it.
It should be pointed out the DUP have no MP in a border constituency.
Ron Swanson
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They are stating, as I always have on here, that this is the reality of a no-deal Brexit. Without a backstop there HAS to be a hard border. There is simply no way around this. Scroll back through my posts and see what I have written about this before today.
And predictably, you and other brexiteers are turning this around on the EU27. It is the UK that is leaving. It is the UK that is prepared to risk the peace and stability of a constituent part of the country. The EU is explicit in it's desire for the UK to remain. It's also explicit that should the UK leave, they must protect the EU27 interests over anything else. If they didn't, what point would there be to being in the bloc?
Carl O'Ancelotti
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You misunderstand. It is Ireland who have insisted that the border issue is top of the agenda (with very good reason) and the EU have consistently backed us as one of the 27 remaining states. It is not some underhand plot designed to thwart Brexit. Brexiteers have convinced themselves that it is, due to their underlying animosity towards the EU.
Our government has a duty and a responsibility to protects the interests of the people it represents in the same way the UK government has. The difference is they are making a much better job of it.
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