Emlynsqueakyvoice
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There's nothing to add to that. Very good explanation Neiler.
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Carl O'Ancelotti
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Only that the leadership of the 2 main parties reached agreement a year ago to go back into government, but the DUP bottled out of it when they decided that their membership wouldn't back the agreement because of their backward views on social issues.
That's why we are were we are, not because Martin McGuinness resigned before his passing as others claim.
Carl O'Ancelotti
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I see May's latest sweetener to the DUP is that the Stormont assembly which hasn't sat for 2 years has a veto over the backstop should it ever come into force.
Even the DUP aren't swallowing that one. A totally desperate attempt to cling on to power, not that it would mean anything anyway if her deal was passed.
Even the DUP aren't swallowing that one. A totally desperate attempt to cling on to power, not that it would mean anything anyway if her deal was passed.
It is tosh, innit.
Even in the unlikely event of Stormont ever getting going again, the system there means the DUP cannot act alone to veto the Backstop ergo it is an empty gesture.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Oh Dear......the ROI have let the cat out of the bag......
“Ireland's Deputy Prime Minister has admitted a no-deal Brexit will lead to a hard border with the North - but they can't admit it to voters because it would cause a backlash, a secret recording revealed today.
Simon Coveney forgot his microphone was still on as he spoke to Transport Minister Shane Ross while Theresa May suffered her humbling Commons defeat last night.
He was heard confirming the need for border checks if Britain crashes out of the EU - most likely in the Irish Sea - and said: 'But we can’t get into where they’ll be'.
He added: 'People will start delving into that and all of a sudden we’ll be the government that reintroduced a physical border on the island of Ireland'.
“Ireland's Deputy Prime Minister has admitted a no-deal Brexit will lead to a hard border with the North - but they can't admit it to voters because it would cause a backlash, a secret recording revealed today.
Simon Coveney forgot his microphone was still on as he spoke to Transport Minister Shane Ross while Theresa May suffered her humbling Commons defeat last night.
He was heard confirming the need for border checks if Britain crashes out of the EU - most likely in the Irish Sea - and said: 'But we can’t get into where they’ll be'.
He added: 'People will start delving into that and all of a sudden we’ll be the government that reintroduced a physical border on the island of Ireland'.
One of May’s red line is a no to the Irish Sea , so i’m not sure how we’d get round that . I’ve said many times I don’t like it but makes about the best sense . Personally It’s about the only way I can see the border situation being resolved .
there's nothing new here really.
Yea, the EU are going to want customs checks, as are the WTO.
This is being forced by UK policy.
No Irish government wants to be seen as the one to allow the return of a hard border, particularly not a Fine Gael led one.
(Fine Gael agreed to British border policy before and that led to a civil war)
tim cahill
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But that effectively separates Northern Ireland from the rest of the U.K.
It's not like NI operates under the exact same laws as the rest of the UK now.
This would allow NI to keep STG and keep it's (broken) political systems. NI citisens would still have the choice of UK or Irish citizenship. Taxes would still go to the UK, there would still be an NHS. People would still spend pounds and travel in miles. There would just be a different economic zone. This would allow NI to thrive as well as avoiding any chance of returning to the bad old days and wrecking the GFA
Northern Ireland has different laws on gay marriage and abortion so it’s already clearly a separate entity .
I don’t think that it’s a solution but I don’t see any other way we can ‘secure our borders’ , I’ve discussed this in this thread repeatedly and with friends both with and without a knowledge of that world . I cannot think of anyway of resolving the border situation without joining the EEA or some other way of recognising free movement, this would at least give some form of border that would satisfy some parties .
To stress I don’t think it’s the answer I just think it’s about the best one I can see that might pass .
Carl O'Ancelotti
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No cat has been let out of any bag.
If your lot leave the EU without a deal in place, the EU will have to have checks to ensure that goods entering the Single Market meet EU standards with regard to hygiene, etc. Additionally the UK will have to have border checks on immigration if you are, as you claim, "taking back control" of your borders. All the Irish government have ever stated is that it will not be initiating the process.
Of course there will be a hard border if the UK crashes out of the EU. That's what most of us have been banging on about in this thread for a long time now yet our protestations have fallen on deaf ears as far as you Brexiteers are concerned. "We're not going to build it" is about the only response you can come out with.
And as previously warned it will endanger the peace and stability we have enjoyed over the last 20 years. Have no doubt whatsoever about that.
No.
The Irish Sea does that.
That is why there are already checks on livestock coming into NI from Great Britain,
That is why Northern Irish beef was able to be exported during the Foot and Mouth outbreak in England....it was classed as Irish beef, not British.
the north eastern corner of Ireland is in a political union with Great Britain.....but it is a different country.
The north eastern corner of Ireland is the same country as the rest of Ireland....lbut it is a different jurisdiction.
Thise are the practical realities which need to be acknowledged before this mess can even start to be addressed.
Carl O'Ancelotti
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If anyone needs reminding about why border communities fear Brexit have a read of this short piece:
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0116/1023705-brexit-border/
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0116/1023705-brexit-border/
Like any of that matters to the Brexit fraternity, Mark
They are prepared to put up with years of economic hardship.....or so they say......in England.
One northern Labour MP on Peston earlier said they are “prepared to take a torch to jobs in my constituency to get their way”.
Ireland, north or south, is of no consequence to them
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