Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[TraffordBlue]

No cat has been let out of any bag.

If your lot leave the EU without a deal in place, the EU will have to have checks to ensure that goods entering the Single Market meet EU standards with regard to hygiene, etc. Additionally the UK will have to have border checks on immigration if you are, as you claim, "taking back control" of your borders. All the Irish government have ever stated is that it will not be initiating the process.

Of course there will be a hard border if the UK crashes out of the EU. That's what most of us have been banging on about in this thread for a long time now yet our protestations have fallen on deaf ears as far as you Brexiteers are concerned. "We're not going to build it" is about the only response you can come out with.

And as previously warned it will endanger the peace and stability we have enjoyed over the last 20 years. Have no doubt whatsoever about that.

Unfortunately you're wasting your time with this, even though you are spot on.

They will just repeat their incorrect claims either because they can't grasp the reality of the situation or they choose not to want to accept the reality.

 

[Ron Swanson]

No cat has been let out of any bag.

If your lot leave the EU without a deal in place, the EU will have to have checks to ensure that goods entering the Single Market meet EU standards with regard to hygiene, etc. Additionally the UK will have to have border checks on immigration if you are, as you claim, "taking back control" of your borders. All the Irish government have ever stated is that it will not be initiating the process.

Of course there will be a hard border if the UK crashes out of the EU. That's what most of us have been banging on about in this thread for a long time now yet our protestations have fallen on deaf ears as far as you Brexiteers are concerned. "We're not going to build it" is about the only response you can come out with.

And as previously warned it will endanger the peace and stability we have enjoyed over the last 20 years. Have no doubt whatsoever about that.

Absolutely. Even if the UK decides to keep the border open with Ireland they could face issues from the wto. All it would take is a single non-eu country to object to the open border (under it giving unfair trade advantages to the EU) and the UK would be faced with the option of closing the ni irish border crossing or making all ports of entry into the UK open. Russia would almost certainly be a complainant. It's the same for the EU should they decide to keep the border open at their side. That's the legal reality of a no Deal brexit for the Irish border.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Absolutely. Even if the UK decides to keep the border open with Ireland they could face issues from the wto. All it would take is a single non-eu country to object to the open border (under it giving unfair trade advantages to the EU) and the UK would be faced with the option of closing the ni irish border crossing or making all ports of entry into the UK open. Russia would almost certainly be a complainant. It's the same for the EU should they decide to keep the border open at their side. That's the legal reality of a no Deal brexit for the Irish border.

The arrogance of many Brexiteers over the issue is astounding. The way they just say things like "The UK has no need to introduce a hard border" in an attempt to blame everyone but ourselves.

As has been mentioned many times, that doesn't really fit in with the "control our borders" promise that was a key ambition of Brexit in the first place.

 

[Harryflashman]

Absolutely. Even if the UK decides to keep the border open with Ireland they could face issues from the wto. All it would take is a single non-eu country to object to the open border (under it giving unfair trade advantages to the EU) and the UK would be faced with the option of closing the ni irish border crossing or making all ports of entry into the UK open. Russia would almost certainly be a complainant. It's the same for the EU should they decide to keep the border open at their side. That's the legal reality of a no Deal brexit for the Irish border.

The wto most favoured nation point of no hard border is completely ignored at an alarming rate .

 

[Ron Swanson]

RTÉ on Twitter: "Seamus O'Rourke -The Hard Border | @TodaySOR ...https://twitter.com/rte/status/1075903679578943488?lang=en-gb

Maybe it's been posted, but his is wonderful.

 

[Khalekan]

RTÉ on Twitter: "Seamus O'Rourke -The Hard Border | @TodaySOR ...https://twitter.com/rte/status/1075903679578943488?lang=en-gb

Maybe it's been posted, but his is wonderful.

lol lol lol

Brilliant

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

It just gets worse every day doesn't it. As someone who crosses the border twice a day this one of the last things you'd want to hear:

UK motorists will have to apply for a “Green Card” to prove that they are insured if they wish to drive in the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit, insurers have warned.

The requirement for extra documentation is likely to affect a large number of drivers in Northern Ireland and the Republic who frequently cross the border in both directions to travel to and from work, to shop or visit friends and relatives.

Motorists in the European Economic Area (EEA) wishing to drive into the UK will also have to apply for Green Cards. Holidaymakers and businesses planning to drive their cars on the Continent, or anyone crossing the Irish border by road have been advised to contact their insurance provider at least four weeks before they travel.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ce-green-card-driving-in-europe-a8733376.html

Thanks, Little Englanders. You haven't a clue about the damage you wish to wreak on the rest of us.

 

[Taifi gorm]

It just gets worse every day doesn't it. As someone who crosses the border twice a day this one of the last things you'd want to hear:

UK motorists will have to apply for a “Green Card” to prove that they are insured if they wish to drive in the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit, insurers have warned.

The requirement for extra documentation is likely to affect a large number of drivers in Northern Ireland and the Republic who frequently cross the border in both directions to travel to and from work, to shop or visit friends and relatives.

Motorists in the European Economic Area (EEA) wishing to drive into the UK will also have to apply for Green Cards. Holidaymakers and businesses planning to drive their cars on the Continent, or anyone crossing the Irish border by road have been advised to contact their insurance provider at least four weeks before they travel.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ce-green-card-driving-in-europe-a8733376.html

Thanks, Little Englanders. You haven't a clue about the damage you wish to wreak on the rest of us.

Can see these issues becoming points of civil disobedience people aren't going to willing hand back natural rights earned that had been denied prior. I'm witnessing anger, awareness and contempt growing within people who were never political before.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Can see these issues becoming points of civil disobedience people aren't going to willing hand back natural rights earned that had been denied prior. I'm witnessing anger, awareness and contempt growing within people who were never political before.

Spot on, so am I. Yet try telling the Brexiteers and all they do is laugh. They are playing with fire and they have been warned.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I don't hear food mentioned much but it is a big issues. Most big supermarkets get their food from the UK mainland. But what isn't oft mentioned is that the food is shipped to the ROI and then driven to NI. I wonder how a hard border effects this - will NI see massive hikes in prices as their food is exported to the EU before imported again from the EU?

 

[TraffordBlue]

Thanks, Little Englanders. You haven't a clue about the damage you wish to wreak on the rest of us.

I very much doubt they care.

Except a lot of them strike me as the type of people who will be pushing for Brexit relentlessly and then if this affects them they will either blame the EU as their default position, or will be oblivious to the fact that them voting to leave contributed to things like this.

 

[peteblue]

It just gets worse every day doesn't it. As someone who crosses the border twice a day this one of the last things you'd want to hear:

UK motorists will have to apply for a “Green Card” to prove that they are insured if they wish to drive in the EU in the event of a no-deal Brexit, insurers have warned.

The requirement for extra documentation is likely to affect a large number of drivers in Northern Ireland and the Republic who frequently cross the border in both directions to travel to and from work, to shop or visit friends and relatives.

Motorists in the European Economic Area (EEA) wishing to drive into the UK will also have to apply for Green Cards. Holidaymakers and businesses planning to drive their cars on the Continent, or anyone crossing the Irish border by road have been advised to contact their insurance provider at least four weeks before they travel.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ce-green-card-driving-in-europe-a8733376.html

Thanks, Little Englanders. You haven't a clue about the damage you wish to wreak on the rest of us.

The CTA requires no green card between the U.K. and ROI.....

 

[peteblue]

I don't hear food mentioned much but it is a big issues. Most big supermarkets get their food from the UK mainland. But what isn't oft mentioned is that the food is shipped to the ROI and then driven to NI. I wonder how a hard border effects this - will NI see massive hikes in prices as their food is exported to the EU before imported again from the EU?

If the ROI builds a hard border, food etc from the U.K. will simply be delivered directly to NI....you guys are getting more neurotic by the day......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

The CTA requires no green card between the U.K. and ROI.....

Incorrect according to just about every media outlet available and the insurance companies themselves:

The director general of the Association of British Insurers (ABI), Huw Evans, said: "As it looks increasingly possible that a no-deal Brexit may happen, we want all insurance customers to know the facts about what this means for them.

"If you live in Northern Ireland and drive to the Republic of Ireland, or if you plan to drive your vehicle to mainland Europe after a no-deal Brexit, you will need a green card to prove you are insured."

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-u...reen-card-if-no-deal-becomes-reality-11609818

Not one of them has indicated that the CTA is exempt.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I very much doubt they care.

Except a lot of them strike me as the type of people who will be pushing for Brexit relentlessly and then if this affects them they will either blame the EU as their default position, or will be oblivious to the fact that them voting to leave contributed to things like this.

I know they don't care, but I am not going to stop reminding them of the consequences their wish for a no deal Brexit will have on Ireland, north and south. At least they won't be able to say that they weren't warned.