Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Armaghtoffee]

If the ROI builds a hard border, food etc from the U.K. will simply be delivered directly to NI....you guys are getting more neurotic by the day......

Pete. You are re-writing history and flogging a dead horse.

There is an legally binding Treaty that anyone born in Ireland can declare to be British or Irish. Freedom of movement of is implicit in that. And why shouldn’t it be? Passport checks from Liverpool to Manchester as an example.

To suggest that Ireland will impose a border is just laughable. Brexiteers have voted for this and haven’t a clue as to what they have delivered to Ireland.

Looking for someone to blame. Just as England has done to every other colony, blame the natives.

 

[peteblue]

Pete. You are re-writing history and flogging a dead horse.

There is an legally binding Treaty that anyone born in Ireland can declare to be British or Irish. Freedom of movement of is implicit in that. And why shouldn’t it be? Passport checks from Liverpool to Manchester as an example.

To suggest that Ireland will impose a border is just laughable. Brexiteers have voted for this and haven’t a clue as to what they have delivered to Ireland.

Looking for someone to blame. Just as England has done to every other colony, blame the natives.

You miss my point. The only one who will implement a hard border is the ROI. The U.K., in law, will not do it.

Even today, Lord Lamont has stated that the only person behind not getting a deal is Varadkar.....

 

[peteblue]

Anyway, German Industry has at last come out and said a No Deal will kill them. The only thing in the way of a deal is this stupid ‘backstop’, it’ll be gone by the middle of March......

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Anyway, German Industry has at last come out and said a No Deal will kill them. The only thing in the way of a deal is this stupid ‘backstop’, it’ll be gone by the middle of March......

Wrong yet again.

"stupid" backstop ? So it is stupid for a country to seek to protect its own interests which is exactly what the UK is trying and failing miserably to do ?

You seem to think that the EU are going to cave into the wishes of a country that is leaving. I'm afraid you are in for a bit of a surprise.

 

[peteblue]

Wrong yet again.

"stupid" backstop ? So it is stupid for a country to seek to protect its own interests which is exactly what the UK is trying and failing miserably to do ?

You seem to think that the EU are going to cave into the wishes of a country that is leaving. I'm afraid you are in for a bit of a surprise.

For your sake I hope you are right. Because otherwise you are screwed......

 

[Armaghtoffee]

You miss my point. The only one who will implement a hard border is the ROI. The U.K., in law, will not do it.

Even today, Lord Lamont has stated that the only person behind not getting a deal is Varadkar.....

No Pete I am not missing your point.

Britain imposed the border and militarily enforced it since it’s inception. To turn around now after almost 100 years of perpetuating 2 states on an island and derogate responsibility for the impact of a hard Brexit is shameful.

 

[Ron Swanson]

If the ROI builds a hard border, food etc from the U.K. will simply be delivered directly to NI....you guys are getting more neurotic by the day......

'Simply' hahaha. Pete, with respect, you're trivialising the logistical and economic problems of switching the fresh food supply for almost 2m people.

The Food Research agency report showed that the implications of a hard Brexit would be disastrous for NI - they described a frictionless border as "vital to the high-volume, economically and nutritionally important food trade into, out of and through Northern Ireland."

Let's forget about the actual supply of fresh food that we get directly from Ireland that will be delayed and more expensive, or the exports to Ireland that support our agriculture businesses (a central part of our economy). The actual cost and logistics of changing the way the food comes into the country are huge. Supermarkets being hit by millions will, of course, pass the bill onto the customers in what is already one of the most economically deprived areas of the UK. Are the ports at Stranraer and Larne ready to take on the supermarket supply chain that is currently handled by the bigger ports at Dublin and Liverpool?

 

[Ron Swanson]

You miss my point. The only one who will implement a hard border is the ROI. The U.K., in law, will not do it.

Even today, Lord Lamont has stated that the only person behind not getting a deal is Varadkar.....

That's simply not true. As I've said before, if the UK default to WTO rules, all it takes is for one country to complain to the WTO under the most favoured nation rules (Russia certainly would, and however nefarious their motiviations, they'd be right to do so) and the UK would have no option but to either 1) implement a hard border with Ireland or 2) open all borders in and out of the UK for all countries they trade with under WTO rules.

And please, Lord Lamont? The befuddled old privileged Tory and brexit backer and career eurosceptic is blaming Ireland? What a surprise. The same Lamont that said 'Britain has lost control of its borders' when he campaigned for Brexit is now accusing Ireland of not letting the UK keep its borders open? It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

Lamont is so anti-EU that he egregiously and incorrectly said the bloc had played no part in the peace process in NI. It is he himself who played little part in the NI peace process other than to be complicit in the continued suffering of people here under the Thatcher government.

 

[peteblue]

'Simply' hahaha. Pete, with respect, you're trivialising the logistical and economic problems of switching the fresh food supply for almost 2m people.

The Food Research agency report showed that the implications of a hard Brexit would be disastrous for NI - they described a frictionless border as "vital to the high-volume, economically and nutritionally important food trade into, out of and through Northern Ireland."

Let's forget about the actual supply of fresh food that we get directly from Ireland that will be delayed and more expensive, or the exports to Ireland that support our agriculture businesses (a central part of our economy). The actual cost and logistics of changing the way the food comes into the country are huge. Supermarkets being hit by millions will, of course, pass the bill onto the customers in what is already one of the most economically deprived areas of the UK. Are the ports at Stranraer and Larne ready to take on the supermarket supply chain that is currently handled by the bigger ports at Dublin and Liverpool?

And why can ships not sail from Liverpool to Larne or Belfast and vice versa......I know I’m being simplistic here, but I’d love to find out why ?.....

 

[Ron Swanson]

And why can ships not sail from Liverpool to Larne or Belfast and vice versa......I know I’m being simplistic here, but I’d love to find out why ?.....

Logistics.

A ferry from Liverpool to Belfast takes around 8-9 hours. The ferry crossing from Holyhead to Dublin, which supermarkets tend to use, takes around 2-3 hours. From experience, the Liverpool-Belfast crossing is also more frequently affected by weather delays.

 

[peteblue]

Logistics.

A ferry from Liverpool to Belfast takes around 8-9 hours. The ferry crossing from Holyhead to Dublin, which supermarkets tend to use, takes around 2-3 hours. From experience, the Liverpool-Belfast crossing is also more frequently affected by weather delays.

When did Holyhead enter the discussion, you specifically referenced Liverpool.....and the lorry would then still have to travel up to Belfast.......

 

[Khalekan]

Logistics.

A ferry from Liverpool to Belfast takes around 8-9 hours. The ferry crossing from Holyhead to Dublin, which supermarkets tend to use, takes around 2-3 hours. From experience, the Liverpool-Belfast crossing is also more frequently affected by weather delays.

Potentially one of the the most tricky ferry crossings in the world when the weather as adverse is Liverpool/Belfast, apparently.

 

[Ron Swanson]

When did Holyhead enter the discussion, you specifically referenced Liverpool.....and the lorry would then still have to travel up to Belfast.......

I misspoke. Much of our groceries come from North of England. Holyhead to Dublin is the ferry route they use.

Dublin port to Belfast is only 1h45mins and not curtailed by bad weather, to Derry is under 3 hours (2 hours from belfast).

 

[PirlosPenos]

When did Holyhead enter the discussion, you specifically referenced Liverpool.....and the lorry would then still have to travel up to Belfast.......

Holyhead is a port you silly billy

 

[peteblue]

Holyhead is a port you silly billy

We know that. But it hadn’t been mentioned. If you are going to interject in a conversation at least take the time to understand what it’s about, thanks.......