Your response strikes me as one coming from someone who is only considering himself and the here and now.Democracy did not arrive on our shores at no cost to human life and considerable suffering,yet you are willing to give it away just so you can gaurantee your own future in the new United States of GermanyAnd there is the Brexit madness nearly summed up in one short passage.
People might lose their jobs by the thousands....the economy might shink....interest rates might rise as Stetling takes a bath....workers rights and conditions might suffer greatly.....the safety of our food imports might harm our health.....the immigrant wirkers so vital to our economy might run for home.
But for a certain type of fanatic whom has gleefully swallowed the Brexit vision of the multi millionaires who will experience little or no financial hardships as a result of it.........no worries, it’s all good
Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit
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roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Thats why a border specific thread was created. Despite what side you are on, this issue is a unique one amongst the plethora of other Brexit stuff.
RichardP
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But the burden of responsibility falls on those who don't like the direction in which we are headed to offer up an alternative solution and convince us of its suitability. That hasn't happened has it. So, in that regard, yes, the ball is in your court. You can't just complain about something without offering a solution - which in this case would also have to respect a 17.4 million democratic majority. I am happy that we are headed to Brexit - despite May. Many on this forum are concerned either by brexit itself or its affect on N Ireland. So, if you don't like where you feel we are headed, what I was saying was that instead of just criticising what is happening and which, quite frankly, neither you nor I can stop, why don't you (or more accurately, your elected representatives) consider and action an alternative.
I am not sure I can explain it more simply.
I’ve presented three possible solutions mays backstop , joining the EEA or a border down the Irish Sea . All of which are actual solutions rather than saying some mystical technology can sort it . The problem with it is there probably isn’t a practical solution , the border is in my opinion a circle that can’t be squared . I’m not being obtuse I’m telling you given our agreements , UK legislation and obligations and what will fly domestically I don’t see a solution . If there isn’t a practical solution then not coming up with one isn’t being difficult it’s just realism .
So now the balls in our court despite the fact that we were never asked if we wanted to play.
And you’re surprised the Irish government is telling you what you can do with your tennis racket!
It's really not. The point of democracy is that the majority have the voice so like you say the majority spoke and got their way. Now its time for those they put their fate in when they voted to leave to come up with a solution. Thats why the people voted for them.
The very fact that the British government is in turmoil and may is close to having a vote of no confidence shows they have no clue how to solve it and even her supporters are not happy now.
Why should the opposition do anything other than suggest taking the vote again?
They have been insulted thus far becuase their fears are slowly being realised. The yes leaders have no clue how to proceed and all its doing is prove that the no people have a fecking point about leaving the EU.
Again the Irish border is a prime example of this.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
The Leave campaign did exactly that. And enough folk fell for the lies and vacuous soundbites.
RichardP
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I think you are letting your Nationalism get in the way of the facts. The UK (not just England) voted for brexit. Yes, N Ireland and Scotland did not but England and Wales did and we go forward as a United Kingdom unless or until (in the case of N Ireland) you say you wish to leave the union. If you are unwilling to put that to a N Ireland/Ireland referendum and live by the outcome then you can't complain when UK comes up with a solution for you (albeit yet to be determined) that you don't like.
So, to come back to a previous post I made about the ball being in N Ireland's court, it is a case of either 'put up or shut up' I am afraid. I mean no personal offence by that but if you are so dead set against what is happening and you have the freedom to call a referendum to join the South, why do you choose to continue to complain about the actions of UK when an alternative may be available to you?
I realise that the above may come across as a bit of a blunt instrument approach and, again, I assure you I mean no personal offence, but we have to address the real issues rather than just talk our way around them.
Brexit may actually be an opportunity to solve quite a few issues.
Right its my nationalism that's what it is hahaha!!!! Do you even know where i am from? Or how i see my own homeland? Or where i live now? No you know nothing about me. But for some reason you think i am being nationalist from the stuff i posted. Is that the same for the others in here?
If anyone is "letting their nationalism" get in the way its you.
Sorry you are full of it.
There you go talking down to people again so as to justify your own garbage.
RichardP
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No, I am a patriot and want what is best for my country, my family and their future generations. I believe the brexit that we voted for will deliver that better than any other option currently under discussion.
You haven't really declared your position with clarity yet. Are you pro brexit but want to see a particular solution for the border or totally anti brexit?
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
What Brexiit was that, cos I didnt have a choice? And how will it, whatever it was, deliver a better future for you and your family?
Making the huge assumption that the border issue gets fixed to everyones satisfaction.
Obviously you gloss over posts because its seems you repeat yourself with what look like prepared answers you paste in. Sums it up really you obviously are not reading what people tell you so maybe read their actual posts. That way you will find out more about where they are coming from.
Or go back further in the thread you might learn something
But hey injecting yourself late on in a thread and not reading over previous pages can have that affect on people. Its your message and everything else can feck off.
No wonder it was so easy for you to essentially insult nearly every poster who debates in this thread.
Telling Irish people to butt out and then calling people names and then saying its nationalism that blinds people. good start for a thread about the "Irish boder". Who did you expect to find in here? Germans?
Taifi gorm
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There'll be great trade in second hand cctv units anyway
Could be Daniel hannan’s one
“Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market”
Or farage’s
“Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing”
Maybe banks’
“Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK”
Or Matthew Elliot’s
“The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people”
Or even Owen Patterson’s
“Only a madman would actually leave the Market”
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
You made my point perfectly, and way better than I could.
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