Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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Ireland should have no more a voice in this than Northern Ireland. They share a geographical piece of land, one country no more equal than the other. Brussels has given Dublin a veto or EU controlling voice in this regard, we should allow Belfast the same..........

Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU, so yeah, give us the controlling vote here.

The DUP are NOT Northern Ireland.

And given that Ireland are the only EU country to currently share an open border with the UK, the EU are absolutely right to give it a strong say.
 
Arlene Foster has made sure that t
I would not actually say it is a “disaster” for them.....it is a very sensible soloution and one which is in the best interests of Ireland and its people as a whole, including their own voters.

The DUP is like a child being made to swallow a dose of foul tasting medicine....they may not like the taste of it but it is very definitely for their own good.

As for May, practically every day is a “disaster” for the poor woman :pint2:

No doubt it is the only sensible deal that was on offer. The DUP have made sure that those in the UK wanting to trade with the island of Ireland will have to do it on EU customs and internal market conditions. That is they will still be in the customs union and single market even if the rest of UK trade arrangements are not and are on WTO terms. The DUP have trapped May into agreeing what is good for the north is good enough for the rest of the UK. which would seem to imply that the whole of the UK are going to stay in the customs union and the single market.

This will not go down well with those Brexiteers who want an absolute break with the EU. They have been cheering the DUP as 'saviour', but when they digest this deal they will be organising a big green bus with the words, ' Let's finally give our NHS the £350 million per week we promised, instead of sending it to Northern Ireland'. They will be in the forefront of organising a border poll to get rid of it.

At least the people on the island of Ireland can be assured that their trade will not be disrupted.
 
Arlene Foster has made sure that t


No doubt it is the only sensible deal that was on offer. The DUP have made sure that those in the UK wanting to trade with the island of Ireland will have to do it on EU customs and internal market conditions. That is they will still be in the customs union and single market even if the rest of UK trade arrangements are not and are on WTO terms. The DUP have trapped May into agreeing what is good for the north is good enough for the rest of the UK. which would seem to imply that the whole of the UK are going to stay in the customs union and the single market.

This will not go down well with those Brexiteers who want an absolute break with the EU. They have been cheering the DUP as 'saviour', but when they digest this deal they will be organising a big green bus with the words, ' Let's finally give our NHS the £350 million per week we promised, instead of sending it to Northern Ireland'. They will be in the forefront of organising a border poll to get rid of it.

At least the people on the island of Ireland can be assured that their trade will not be disrupted.

Indeed.

And the penny will slowly start to drop for the DUP that their enemies are not in Dublin or up the Falls Road but among the rabid Brexiteers in England whom will happily ditch NI if that is the only way they can drag Great Britain out of the EU.

And BTW.....I imagine the Scots are paying very strict attention to what is happening in NI and will be looking for a similar deal for themselves.
 
This deal is of huge significance essentially May has caved to everything Ireland/Europe has wanted. Essentially The UK has cut NI a drift, i can understand why the DUP are livid, i think its an historic move for the island.

The broader consequences are huge, NI operating still within the single market, freedom of movement and significantly European Law and European institutions still having a rule of law in NI. For Europe and Ireland it couldn't have gone any better, if this is a precursor to the broader Brexit negotiations i fear for the UK. Europe is essentially dictating this process, i think the only hope the UK have is a new election.

Is there fear now for the Uk, that Scotland will follow suit buoyed by Ireland, ironically Brexit could be the end of the UK in a modern sense.
 
you'd have to say that Scotland had its independence referendum a few years too early

The Scottish parliament can vote against any legislation passed by Westminster, including a Brexit Bill.

What happens if the UK and devolved governments can't agree on Brexit

Presumed consent? The role of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland ...

"Ever since devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland began in 1999, the UK Government has operated according to the ‘Sewel’ or ‘legislative consent’ convention. Under this convention, Westminster will not normally legislate on devolved matters without the agreement of the devolved parliaments and assemblies.

Given the stark political differences over Brexit, the legislative consent issue could spark serious conflict between the UK and the devolved governments. The Scottish First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has said that she could not contemplate giving consent to legislation that would take Scotland out of the European Union (EU) ‘against the express will of the Scottish people’, and there has been debate in Wales and Northern Ireland about whether those nations’ devolved assemblies will get to ratify the final Brexit deal.

Agreeing on the need for consent

When Westminster legislates in devolved areas, ‘legislative consent motions’ are passed in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to allow the UK Parliament to proceed. This process may come into play to enable Westminster to implement Brexit (for example, if Westminster chooses to repeal the European Communities Act 1973 or amend the devolution statutes to remove references to EU law).

A look at the use of these motions to date shows that there have only been a few cases where the UK and devolved governments have failed to agree on whether consent is required. These disagreements have been most frequent in Wales, where the line between reserved and devolved responsibilities is sometimes unclear. There was also disagreement between the UK and Scottish Governments over the Trade Union Bill back in December. The Scottish Government sought to withhold consent on the bill, while the UK Government argued that the legislation was in wholly non-devolved areas. In the event, the Presiding Officer agreed with the UK Government and ruled that the bill did not require a consent motion.

These are exceptions rather than the rule, and there has generally been effective communication and agreement on when consent is required. On the issue of Brexit, the Prime Minister has promised to seek an agreed approach with the devolved governments, but whether this will extend to seeking their consent on the terms of Brexit remains to be seen.

Providing and withholding consent

If consent was withheld, this would mark a break from what has generally been a history of collaboration and consensus".

A major consideration about the Irish border issue was that a Westminster Brexit bill would not get through the Stormont assembly. This latest deal was the only way the May government can hope to get it through Stormont, as legislation passed in Stormont has to be compatible with EU law and if not is referred to the ECJ. A major can of worms would have been opened if the UK government had imposed a hard border.
 
Essentially NI will be part of Ireland with the UK footing the bill to balm a few egos. Its the best swindle ever.
£2B for that lot. After a bit of a song and dance, it looks like it bought them off.

I notice one of them has been saying 'we need to check the detail on this'.

Could well be they'll scupper it but the acquiescence right now gets May off the hook until she steps down - shortly I'd imagine - then game on again.
 
Can someone tell me what the DUP got out of their delaying tactics? I cant see it, tbh.

They have stitched the UK government up and forced UK mainland companies who want to trade on the island of Ireland to comply with the single market and the customs union. Their mantra has been, 'if it's good enough for us it is good enough for the rest of the UK'. That way they can claim they are being treated the same as the rest of the UK.

Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove and the rest of the buffoons will be demanding a unification vote when the penny drops that the DUP have stitched them up. They will go from hero status to 'traitors'.
 
you'd have to say that Scotland had its independence referendum a few years too early
This deal is of huge significance essentially May has caved to everything Ireland/Europe has wanted. Essentially The UK has cut NI a drift, i can understand why the DUP are livid, i think its an historic move for the island.

The broader consequences are huge, NI operating still within the single market, freedom of movement and significantly European Law and European institutions still having a rule of law in NI. For Europe and Ireland it couldn't have gone any better, if this is a precursor to the broader Brexit negotiations i fear for the UK. Europe is essentially dictating this process, i think the only hope the UK have is a new election.

Is there fear now for the Uk, that Scotland will follow suit buoyed by Ireland, ironically Brexit could be the end of the UK in a modern sense.
Looks like everybody will cut themselves off from each other eventually...little britain indeed.
 
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