Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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True, but they do have the majority of Northern Ireland's seats at Westminster and more seats in the Northern Ireland Assembly than any other party.

Whether we like it or not they are Northern Ireland's main political voice right now, just as the Tories are on the mainland.
That isn’t how Stormont works at all though. Northern Ireland has 2 joint First Ministers of equal status, one Nationalist and one Unionist.

No one party speaks for, or represents, Northern Ireland.
 
True, but they do have the majority of Northern Ireland's seats at Westminster and more seats in the Northern Ireland Assembly than any other party.

Whether we like it or not they are Northern Ireland's main political voice right now, just as the Tories are on the mainland.

Thats not exactly true though mate, they 51 seats Sinn Fein have 50 its pretty much a 50/50 split. The SDLP have 17 seats who also want a soft border so the DUP are actually in the minority here. Sinn Fein also hold seats in the Republics Parliament akin to the DUP in the North. They of course dont take their seats in England.

In essence if May doesn't agree to a soft border, it will be to save her own government but she will essentially siding with one community over another that has huge implication for England Ireland and Northern Ireland.

I relaly think this is a done deal and its management mode with the DUP to try and save the goverment in the Englands.
 
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The DUP have the most seats in the Assembly and they have the majority of Northern Ireland's Westminster seats.

I get where you're coming from, though. The Nationalist/Republican voice in Northern Ireland does need to be heard, too. But I'm sure very Nationalists want a border in the Irish Sea, cutting them off from their majority trading partner Great Britain. My mother's husband (my step-dad) is a half-hearted Nationalist from Belfast (he wants Northern Ireland to be part of the Republic one day but not now) and he doesn't want a border in the Irish Sea.

See this is the madness of this, NI would have the best of both worlds they would be part of the common trade area but also a member of the UK there would be absolutely no trade restrictions on them at all. If the DUP weren't so short sighted they would see economically this is a bonanza for the six counties, im sure companies would be tripping over themselves to set up in NI.
 
See this is the madness of this, NI would have the best of both worlds they would be part of the common trade area but also a member of the UK there would be absolutely no trade restrictions on them at all. If the DUP weren't so short sighted they would see economically this is a bonanza for the six counties, im sure companies would be tripping over themselves to set up in NI.
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But they prop up the tories. May is caught between 2 stools
 
Quite ironic this...May and the tories getting in bed with the DUP dinosaurs to save their govt only for the DUP to effectively bring down the govt.

There is only one way forward here - A soft border and the DUP will have to go and sniff it. Ultimately though that decision will have catstrophic consequences for the tory govt.

General election is looming and not before time
 
See this is the madness of this, NI would have the best of both worlds they would be part of the common trade area but also a member of the UK there would be absolutely no trade restrictions on them at all. If the DUP weren't so short sighted they would see economically this is a bonanza for the six counties, im sure companies would be tripping over themselves to set up in NI.

That isn't how it would work - under a separate NI system there would be more trade restrictions on them (the EU wouldn't let the UK use NI as a back-door into the EU, nor would the UK let the EU do the same). They would fall under and be expected to follow both EU and UK rules around investment, government support, trade, employment standards and the rest.

The only thing that would not be affected would be exports in to NI for use there - so basically formerly NI-based manufacturing, service or other industry that did any business outside of NI would be better to base itself in Eire or in the UK because it would be easier to trade with NI (there being no restrictions) and the rest of the UK or EU (where there are no restrictions either on internal trade) if you were based outside NI.
 
This debacle sums up the entire car crash. Why has it taken 18 months for them to have an open and honest debate over the obvious potential solutions to the NI Brexit issue? It's an abolsute nonsense
 
The nutjobs on both sides.

Nutjob loyalists will see him acting treacherously.

Nutjob republicans will seem him as leading the way to an imminent united Ireland.

Neither is the case but his language isn't sensible.

Have you got some quotes you think are wrong or excessive? Or a source of what interview its from?

I read two different articles of recent speeches and cannot find anything that needs to be toned down.

Not taking a pop just wondered what you are referring to is all.
 
Have you got some quotes you think are wrong or excessive? Or a source of what interview its from?

I read two different articles of recent speeches and cannot find anything that needs to be toned down.

Not taking a pop just wondered what you are referring to is all.

Telling the DUP that the negotiations are nothing to do with them is of course true but it doesn't help. Unionists had been getting on a bit better with Dublin and he needs to understand not all unionist voters are like the DUP.
 
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