Can someone shoot him please.
In the legs, no killing as Im a pacifist. Maybe twice in the legs
In the legs, no killing as Im a pacifist. Maybe twice in the legs
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bigbadjeff
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I consider this bad taste, in light of what’s happened here over the years.
Totally agree, lets not be pictured in a high sports red race car preaching to people how to behave.
lol
bigbadjeff
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Struggling to see the connection, but keep taking whatever it is.
Next you will be telling me Gerrard is a good man.
I met this tall lanky streak of piss once in Westminster, a cretinous creature of the highest calibre. The voice on the TV does no justice to how it pierces through your brain in reality, every syllable is condescending.
The man knows nothing, yet holds so much sway over the PM. She needs to muzzle him fast before he causes some major issues
Foot Long Hot Dog
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He’s realised that his ‘no deal’ Brexit dream is a non starter due to the Irish border issue. Without a hard border we’d be in breach of WTO rules on day 1 of our new found independent (WE’RE NO RULE TAKERS! RA, RA) membership of the WTO, as we’d not be protecting our market as prescribed by the rules (tell us again how leaving the EU meant we’d be an independent nation who made its own rules Mr Mogg, you duplicitous know nothing)...so we’d undoubtedly be reported to the WTO by numerous states from the off......the same states who we’d be trying to get to agree to our WTO schedules.....60 of whom we’d have lost our current current trading relationships with via the EU, and would be seeking to agree terms with in a crisis situation.
So Mr Mogg, knows there will have to be some form of border to avoid this, only we’ve now enshrined in U.K. law (in the withdrawal bill) that there’ll be no hard border in Ireland. Plus his own amendment to Mays white paper makes it impossible for that border to be in the Irish Sea, ruling out any special status for NI.
So he’s snookered, and his latest attempt to try and suggest that the Irish should have no issue with going back to the days of the troubles for the sake of Blighty’s desire to shoot its own legs off. Shows his spectacular ignorance and arrogance with aplomb. There’s a good reason this fop has always been a back bencher, and that’s due to the fact he’s a complete goon.
The Counter Terrorism and Border Security bill going through parliament will result in a hard border on the island of Ireland. But also lead to massive tailbacks at Dover and other ports.
Brexit plans could see mile-wide stop and search zone along border
Operation Brock 'lorry park' on M20 'could last years' - BBC News
The UK can't leave the EU without 'border controls'.
In December, May gave the nod that she was prepared to sign up to the backstop arrangement which effectively kept the whole of the UK in the EU. She was piggybacking the UK to stay on the back of the Good Friday Agreement, which the Americans had told her in know uncertain terms was sacrosanct. In other words, there can be no border on the island of Ireland. Either Northern Ireland has special agreement, something the DUP would be prepared to bring the government down for and would lead to a general election or the whole of the UK stays in the EU, something the DUP were prepared to counter.
Neither arrangement was going to be what the likes of Rees Mogg would sign up to and from January began to agitate against the government's position, staying in the EU and Good Friday Agreement.
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Brexiteers launch broadside at Northern Ireland peace deal
But the Americans would never sanction a hard border on the island of Ireland. Something else had to be added to the mix. In March the false flag 'Putin tried to kill the Skripals', 'Putin using chemical weapons in the UK' 'Another victims of 'Novichok' add to that the 'Putin allows Assad to use chemical weapons in Syria' and the 'Russians are using cyber attacks against the UK and 'interfering in election including Brexit' thereby creating the 'conditions' for 'safety of the UK and security of the UK borders', hard border on the island of Ireland and long delays at UK ports, to be added to yet another Counter terrorism' Bill. The Skripal 'incident' was a godsend for the hard line Brexiteers. In June, Javid introduced the Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill with this 'It will also contribute to the government’s objective of hardening the UK’s defences against hostile state activity'. 'To make provision in relation to terrorism; to make provision enabling persons at ports and borders to be questioned for national security and other related purposes; and for connected purposes'. Since May, border checks in the UK on those with an Irish passport have already started.
Belfast flight passengers have passports checked in Bristol - Belfast Live
And even checking those holding UK passports for 'security reasons' Newton Emerson: Post-Brexit Irish Sea border exists already
'Despite travelling on an internal UK flight and carrying a full British passport, she was stopped on arrival by Border Force – the UK’s immigration police – and questioned in a bizarre and dubious manner.
The Border Force officer was suspicious about a Chinese visa in my wife’s passport – doubly so when he established it was to attend an engineering conference. There is a Canadian-owned aircraft factory in Belfast, he noted, and an Airbus plant in Bristol. Did my wife realise the Chinese are building their own airliners? Did she know there are concerns about theft of intellectual property?
“There are people downstairs who would love to talk to you,” he added, ominously'
For the Rees Mogg's and Duncan Smith's of this world there has to be a 'clean break' with the EU and May wasn't providing it. When push came to shove Johnson, Davis et al jumped ship as they are not convinced May wants to leave the EU. On one side of this, is the CBI, City of London finance, Engineering Federation, Motor Industry and other natural Tory supports telling May they don't want to leave the EU. And on the other Johnson, Duncan Smith, Rees Mogg, Davis, Farages who want a' clean break' on WTO rules. There are many many hard line Brexiteers who have spent their whole political career being against the EU and are not going to let it slip from their fingers now.
The dilemma the Tories have is, not to leave the EU will go 'against the democratic will of the people' but to leave will damage the economy due to imposing a hard border on the island of Ireland and at UK ports. May is trying to juggle these two irreconcilable positions. As are those that want a second vote. The chose is ditch the 'democratic will of the people' and the economy will not be hit so hard or carry through the 'democratic will of the people' and the economy takes a pounding.
For Ireland the choice is crystal clear no border on the island of Ireland which puts them at loggerheads with Rees Mogg's et al vision of 'clean break' leaving the EU. What is gaining moment is the provision for a United Ireland vote which May is panicking over.
United Ireland? It may not be as far off as you think
Ireland’s Brexit dividend
She has made it clear she is not going to be the one that sees the UK break up. But the way this is being played out that is exactly what is going to happen. With the Scots also thinking of going for a second leave the UK referendum.
Brexit will be known as the moment the UK split. It is already tearing the Tory party apart and looks increasing likely to see a united Ireland and an independent Scotland.
Brexit plans could see mile-wide stop and search zone along border
Operation Brock 'lorry park' on M20 'could last years' - BBC News
The UK can't leave the EU without 'border controls'.
In December, May gave the nod that she was prepared to sign up to the backstop arrangement which effectively kept the whole of the UK in the EU. She was piggybacking the UK to stay on the back of the Good Friday Agreement, which the Americans had told her in know uncertain terms was sacrosanct. In other words, there can be no border on the island of Ireland. Either Northern Ireland has special agreement, something the DUP would be prepared to bring the government down for and would lead to a general election or the whole of the UK stays in the EU, something the DUP were prepared to counter.
Neither arrangement was going to be what the likes of Rees Mogg would sign up to and from January began to agitate against the government's position, staying in the EU and Good Friday Agreement.
.
Brexiteers launch broadside at Northern Ireland peace deal
But the Americans would never sanction a hard border on the island of Ireland. Something else had to be added to the mix. In March the false flag 'Putin tried to kill the Skripals', 'Putin using chemical weapons in the UK' 'Another victims of 'Novichok' add to that the 'Putin allows Assad to use chemical weapons in Syria' and the 'Russians are using cyber attacks against the UK and 'interfering in election including Brexit' thereby creating the 'conditions' for 'safety of the UK and security of the UK borders', hard border on the island of Ireland and long delays at UK ports, to be added to yet another Counter terrorism' Bill. The Skripal 'incident' was a godsend for the hard line Brexiteers. In June, Javid introduced the Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill with this 'It will also contribute to the government’s objective of hardening the UK’s defences against hostile state activity'. 'To make provision in relation to terrorism; to make provision enabling persons at ports and borders to be questioned for national security and other related purposes; and for connected purposes'. Since May, border checks in the UK on those with an Irish passport have already started.
Belfast flight passengers have passports checked in Bristol - Belfast Live
And even checking those holding UK passports for 'security reasons' Newton Emerson: Post-Brexit Irish Sea border exists already
'Despite travelling on an internal UK flight and carrying a full British passport, she was stopped on arrival by Border Force – the UK’s immigration police – and questioned in a bizarre and dubious manner.
The Border Force officer was suspicious about a Chinese visa in my wife’s passport – doubly so when he established it was to attend an engineering conference. There is a Canadian-owned aircraft factory in Belfast, he noted, and an Airbus plant in Bristol. Did my wife realise the Chinese are building their own airliners? Did she know there are concerns about theft of intellectual property?
“There are people downstairs who would love to talk to you,” he added, ominously'
For the Rees Mogg's and Duncan Smith's of this world there has to be a 'clean break' with the EU and May wasn't providing it. When push came to shove Johnson, Davis et al jumped ship as they are not convinced May wants to leave the EU. On one side of this, is the CBI, City of London finance, Engineering Federation, Motor Industry and other natural Tory supports telling May they don't want to leave the EU. And on the other Johnson, Duncan Smith, Rees Mogg, Davis, Farages who want a' clean break' on WTO rules. There are many many hard line Brexiteers who have spent their whole political career being against the EU and are not going to let it slip from their fingers now.
The dilemma the Tories have is, not to leave the EU will go 'against the democratic will of the people' but to leave will damage the economy due to imposing a hard border on the island of Ireland and at UK ports. May is trying to juggle these two irreconcilable positions. As are those that want a second vote. The chose is ditch the 'democratic will of the people' and the economy will not be hit so hard or carry through the 'democratic will of the people' and the economy takes a pounding.
For Ireland the choice is crystal clear no border on the island of Ireland which puts them at loggerheads with Rees Mogg's et al vision of 'clean break' leaving the EU. What is gaining moment is the provision for a United Ireland vote which May is panicking over.
United Ireland? It may not be as far off as you think
Ireland’s Brexit dividend
She has made it clear she is not going to be the one that sees the UK break up. But the way this is being played out that is exactly what is going to happen. With the Scots also thinking of going for a second leave the UK referendum.
Brexit will be known as the moment the UK split. It is already tearing the Tory party apart and looks increasing likely to see a united Ireland and an independent Scotland.
bigbadjeff
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Petty name calling shows you’ve lost already. No articulate debate, just childish comments
And what petty name did I call you? Stop trying to play the victim.
Jacob Rees-Mogg really is a odious little man, isn't he?
I hope he goes for the leadership though, would kill the Tories stone dead.
I hope he goes for the leadership though, would kill the Tories stone dead.
Flano21
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I agree yeah. Johnson gets away with things because he’s got some charisma and some people find him funny.
Rees-Mogg has no charisma, no personality and some horrible views. Can’t see people taking to him much
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Boris is the next leader.....
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