Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[peteblue]

Your home Secretary is making the claim that you will take back all of your borders and control them again so your response doesn't even make sense. His statement therefore is false.

Also the more you repeat this the more stupid you sound...It's not the first time you have made this statement and honestly that's idiotic.

The ports in Ireland will check both EU and non EU passports as they always do and let the people in to enjoy whatever it is they want to do that meets the requirements of their passport and visa in the case of them being non EU. Ireland checks people coming into Ireland not the EU. Obviously as part of the EU, anyone holding an EU passport is free to move on as long as they have no warrants etc...

Essentially his statement is false as is your assertion its the EU's responsibility to control Irish borders.

It is the EU’s responsibility to control ROI borders and the U.K. responsibility to control NI borders. The U.K. has passed into law that the Good Friday agreement will be maintained. Can you please point out where the EU or ROI have done the same.....again, take your time....

 

[SteveSC]

It is the EU’s responsibility to control ROI borders and the U.K. responsibility to control NI borders. The U.K. has passed into law that the Good Friday agreement will be maintained. Can you please point out where the EU or ROI have done the same.....again, take your time....

It's Ireland responsibility to control its own borders and as such they do.

Is your hatred so bad for the EU that you would make up stuff.

The officers that control the border in Ireland are Irish who work for the Irish state. It used to be the Gardai and now its our own border patrol. They work for the Irish government and control the borders in the interests of Ireland. There are no EU officials or people controlling the Irish border.

We are an EU member so therefore we follow rules and guidelines set by the EU. That does not mean they control our border nor do they currently control yours or anyone else for that matter.

 

[peteblue]

It's Ireland responsibility to control its own borders and as such they do.

Is your hatred so bad for the EU that you would make up stuff.

The officers that control the border in Ireland are Irish who work for the Irish state. It used to be the Gardai and now its our own border patrol. They work for the Irish government and control the borders in the interests of Ireland. There are no EU officials or people controlling the Irish border.

We are an EU member so therefore we follow rules and guidelines set by the EU. That does not mean they control our border nor do they currently control yours or anyone else for that matter.

So you will be fine continuing the GF agreement then......unless the EU tell you otherwise.....

 

[SteveSC]

So you will be fine continuing the GF agreement then......unless the EU tell you otherwise.....

What are you on about?

The EU cannot change laws or rules or agreements of any nation be it internal to that country or with another nation, without the respective governments voting on it and sometimes that nations people. Probably also not without a vote with the council members either.

It would also be suicide for any sitting Irish government to allow them as such.

Stop speaking in nonsense hypothetical s, its amusing how stupid you sound.

So therefore they would never ask Ireland to break the good Friday agreement. I am pretty sure they have already said this. As has the Irish government said they will not break it and it must be honored

Whats hilarious is that you are the one who continuously to make it an EU - Ireland issue when its clear the UK has still no clue how to deal with one of its borders and seems to ignore this by claiming they have control over all of their borders hence @Mark O'Silver point earlier.

 

[peteblue]

What are you on about?

The EU cannot change laws or rules or agreements of any nation be it internal to that country or with another nation, without the respective governments voting on it and sometimes that nations people. Probably also not without a vote with the council members either.

It would also be suicide for any sitting Irish government to allow them as such.

Stop speaking in nonsense hypothetical s, its amusing how stupid you sound.

So therefore they would never ask Ireland to break the good Friday agreement. I am pretty sure they have already said this. As has the Irish government said they will not break it and it must be honored

Whats hilarious is that you are the one who continuously to make it an EU - Ireland issue when its clear the UK has still no clue how to deal with one of its borders and seems to ignore this by claiming they have control over all of their borders hence @Mark O'Silver point earlier.

I’m not sure you have been keeping up. The EU have stated that the only way that the border can continue operating as today is if NI remains in the EU. This obviously cannot happen. The ROI have willingly gone along with this EU view, even though the U.K. is happy to continue as is. The only ones demanding change if NI does not remain in the EU are the EU, supported by the government in Dublin.....

 

[SteveSC]

I’m not sure you have been keeping up. The EU have stated that the only way that the border can continue operating as today is if NI remains in the EU. This obviously cannot happen. The ROI have willingly gone along with this EU view, even though the U.K. is happy to continue as is. The only ones demanding change if NI does not remain in the EU are the EU, supported by the government in Dublin.....

Hmm....

this is what was proposed....

"The EU proposes that Northern Ireland stay aligned with the remaining 27 bloc members after Brexit as part of a “backstop”, or insurance policy to avoid the re-imposition of border checks and a risk to Irish peace gains.

This would mean that Northern Ireland would remain in the customs union and the single market to avoid a hard border returning on the island of Ireland, something Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said he’s committed to avoiding."

The above was from the AP and used by several sources

Ireland have not officially commented on these words as far as i can see in any publication. So again you had made an assumption. What's convenient is that you rarely post articles or direct quotes and we have to take you on your word which is simply biased. So "willingly go along with" seems to be your interpretation and simply not the truth.

The Irish government would be in serious trouble to allow the EU destroy the good Friday agreement. there would be a revolt.

It seems to me the EU are trying to keep Northern Ireland in temporarily so as to continue the good friday agreement. Its not a bad idea. but as you can see its temporary and as they say a "backstop"

It must be noted also that they have said they will investigate every avenue and this was one suggestion. This is not the only solution but it was something they are putting to both Ireland and Britain to be discussed. They cannot force either naytion into this and it would be complicated for both Ireland and the UK.

But its still better than any idea the British government have put forth. What is there solution. According to you its ZERO... Oh yeah stays the same haha!!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I’m not sure you have been keeping up. The EU have stated that the only way that the border can continue operating as today is if NI remains in the EU. This obviously cannot happen. The ROI have willingly gone along with this EU view, even though the U.K. is happy to continue as is. The only ones demanding change if NI does not remain in the EU are the EU, supported by the government in Dublin.....

Who has created the issue here? Oh yeah that’ll be the U.K. deciding to leave the EU, without giving a second thought to how it would solve this conundrum before the vote to leave. The onus to find a workable solution sits with the nation who has decided to enact a fundamental change to its trading relationship with the EU bloc.

You also completely ignore the fact that the U.K. is still actively considering the option of a no deal Brexit, which again would be its own unilateral decision and would bring with it the issue of having to comply with WTO rules on controlling its own borders. Whilst having now enshrined in U.K. law that there’ll be no hard border in Ireland.

Your argument is nothing more than disingenuous blame shifting, whilst giving it the usual brand of a Brexiteers shrug as to how this complex issue can be resolved.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

@peteblue you're taking a pasting here mate so fair play for sticking in there but isn't this mess with the NI border actually really simple to sum up:

At least a major part of the Brexit argument was based on "we'll take back control of our borders" - agreed?

But if the NI border remains open and without checks (as the UK has promised) then the above is never going to happen is it?

The obvious solution of border checks at the UK mainland has been ruled out thanks to the DUP.

So we are just stuck in this mess because the Leave campaign either wilfully ignored the NI border issue in the EU referendum campaign or simply didn't think it important.

I know @Joey66 laughs at this but mark my words - Northern Ireland will stop Brexit.

 

[peteblue]

@peteblue you're taking a pasting here mate so fair play for sticking in there but isn't this mess with the NI border actually really simple to sum up:

At least a major part of the Brexit argument was based on "we'll take back control of our borders" - agreed?

But if the NI border remains open and without checks (as the UK has promised) then the above is never going to happen is it?

The obvious solution of border checks at the UK mainland has been ruled out thanks to the DUP.

So we are just stuck in this mess because the Leave campaign either wilfully ignored the NI border issue in the EU referendum campaign or simply didn't think it important.

I know @Joey66 laughs at this but mark my words - Northern Ireland will stop Brexit.

Well Im not sure who is taking a pasting but it’s certainly not me..

Taking back control of borders means we can do what we want. We can stop people coming in or we can throw the border open, it’s our choice....taking back control you see.....

There will be no border checks between parts of the U.K. and the U.K. has said that the border between NI and ROI will remain as is.

It’s true that most Leavers didn’t think through the issue of NI, but nor did the Remainers.

NI will not stop Brexit, it will happen, but because the EU and the ROI dug a big hole with their demands, while the U.K. said we’re not that bothered and will leave the border open, the EU will have to come up with a fudge that allows Germany and France and the ROI etc to continue trading with the U.K......over to you Michel.....

 

[Charlie Sweet]

@peteblue you're trying to be cute.....the Brexit argument was to take back control of the borders.....to limit immigration. It wasn't just an academic line about the technicities of which body actually lays down the rulebook!

 

[peteblue]

@peteblue you're trying to be cute.....the Brexit argument was to take back control of the borders.....to limit immigration. It wasn't just an academic line about the technicities of which body actually lays down the rulebook!

No mate, that is just a remainer viewpoint. Taking back control is to do what we want, not what the EU wants.....

 

[Charlie Sweet]

No mate, that is just a remainer viewpoint. Taking back control is to do what we want, not what the EU wants.....

If this wasn't all so serious you'd actually be funny

 

[peteblue]

If this wasn't all so serious you'd actually be funny

But I am right though......

 

[SteveSC]

No mate, that is just a remainer viewpoint. Taking back control is to do what we want, not what the EU wants.....

All you did there was tweak what he said to make it sound a little different but its the same bloody thing.

what he said was not what "remainers" believed is what some of you pro leaving voters wanted, it was something advertised by some quarters of the pro group in the first place. It maybe not your pro brexit narrative but it was many including some of the influential members who drove the campaign.

I'm sorry but the more you post and contend that you are "right" the more foolish you look.

You simply hate the EU and any chance (be it right or wrong) to have a dig at them you take.

For someone who knows a lot about Ireland because of your heritage you have no clue on what the people of Ireland are like and how the Irish government is run.

You simply see them as puppets to the EU to suit your agenda.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

It's incredible that "taking control of our borders" can be interpreted by some people as having an open door policy to let anyone in that wants to come, because that is exactly what will happen if there is no UK immigration control on the Irish border post-Brexit.

The two positions are irreconcilable; you either have control of immigration from the EU or you don't. What is being spouted here is just more lies that everything will be fine and dandy after Brexit, which anyone who is being honest with themselves and others knows is impossible.