Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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peteblue said:
If we are to believe Bruce’s post election demographic analysis, everyone who was young voted Remain, everyone who is old voted Leave. Everyone who is old understands the Irish border and the history that goes with it. I doubt anyone under 30 has a clue. However, even though we all knew about the border issue, we didn’t know that the EU would use it as a political chip in negotiations with the full support of the ROI politicians, and we gave it little thought and even less coverage. We, in the U.K., still don’t want a hard border and have legislated accordingly, but it’s now in the hands of the EU and the ROI, who while burying their heads in the sand just keep saying ‘it’s your fault so you must sort it out’......
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Do you actually believe the stuff you write Pete? And ignore any other argument or response?

You know surely that under WTO rules the UK has to manage its borders with checks etc yet you choose to ignore that fact.

You also just gloss over that it's the UK that started all this mess so they have to propose workable solutions.

Yet can the UK government be trusted? In December Theresa May signed up to the border backstop agreement then ditched it a few months later.

The whole.thing is a total farce!
 
Charlie Sweet said:
Do you actually believe the stuff you write Pete? And ignore any other argument or response?

You know surely that under WTO rules the UK has to manage its borders with checks etc yet you choose to ignore that fact.

You also just gloss over that it's the UK that started all this mess so they have to propose workable solutions.

Yet can the UK government be trusted? In December Theresa May signed up to the border backstop agreement then ditched it a few months later.

The whole.thing is a total farce!
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The whole thing is a farce, I agree. Initiated by those of us who voted Leave without due consideration of NI, yet amplified by both the ROI and the EU for attempting to use it as a negotiating ploy. Of course under WTO we have to manage our borders, for goods not people. Goods can be sorted via a myriad of ways already, we already do it at every port in the U.K.. People, we are not that bothered about crossing over the border. No one comes out of this well, but the politicians and bureaucrats are making a political meal out of it. Of course the U.K. government can be trusted and I’ll bet there is not one legal document that anyone can point at that shows May having ‘signed up’ to anything, other than EU generated minutes......
 
peteblue said:
The whole thing is a farce, I agree. Initiated by those of us who voted Leave without due consideration of NI, yet amplified by both the ROI and the EU for attempting to use it as a negotiating ploy. Of course under WTO we have to manage our borders, for goods not people. Goods can be sorted via a myriad of ways already, we already do it at every port in the U.K.. People, we are not that bothered about crossing over the border. No one comes out of this well, but the politicians and bureaucrats are making a political meal out of it. Of course the U.K. government can be trusted and I’ll bet there is not one legal document that anyone can point at that shows May having ‘signed up’ to anything, other than EU generated minutes......
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So you’re saying that free movement of people can still exist in NI then post Brexit?
 
peteblue said:
The whole thing is a farce, I agree. Initiated by those of us who voted Leave without due consideration of NI, yet amplified by both the ROI and the EU for attempting to use it as a negotiating ploy. Of course under WTO we have to manage our borders, for goods not people. Goods can be sorted via a myriad of ways already, we already do it at every port in the U.K.. People, we are not that bothered about crossing over the border. No one comes out of this well, but the politicians and bureaucrats are making a political meal out of it. Of course the U.K. government can be trusted and I’ll bet there is not one legal document that anyone can point at that shows May having ‘signed up’ to anything, other than EU generated minutes......
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Sorry mate it might be me and I’m not following who are the ‘we’ that you are saying aren’t that bothered about people crossing over the border ?
 
peteblue said:
The whole thing is a farce, I agree. Initiated by those of us who voted Leave without due consideration of NI, yet amplified by both the ROI and the EU for attempting to use it as a negotiating ploy. Of course under WTO we have to manage our borders, for goods not people. Goods can be sorted via a myriad of ways already, we already do it at every port in the U.K.. People, we are not that bothered about crossing over the border. No one comes out of this well, but the politicians and bureaucrats are making a political meal out of it. Of course the U.K. government can be trusted and I’ll bet there is not one legal document that anyone can point at that shows May having ‘signed up’ to anything, other than EU generated minutes......
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Anyone could just smuggle goods over the border in their cars/minibuses/coaches.
 
Brexit will 'give us back our borders and end decades of uncontrolled immigration' according to Home Secretary Dajid Javid yesterday.

Yet the UK only has one land border with the EU, and apparently there aren't going to be any checks on people crossing it and if there are any then it will at the EU's behest.

So how are they going to stop immigration from the EU ? Any EU citizen that wants to go to the UK simply has to get to Ireland and cross this unmanned border. Then if they want to go to Britain they just get on a plane or a ferry and there will be no passport checks. Or are the British government secretly planning to check people arriving from NI at ports and airports, but don't want to make this public as it will upset the DUP which would bring the government down ?

Either the government are peddling yet more lies and deceit to avoid having to tackle this issue because they haven't got the answer to it or they are living in a complete fantasy world of post-Brexit utopia. I suspect it is the former.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
Brexit will 'give us back our borders and end decades of uncontrolled immigration' according to Home Secretary Dajid Javid yesterday.

Yet the UK only has one land border with the EU, and apparently there aren't going to be any checks on people crossing it and if there are any then it will at the EU's behest.

So how are they going to stop immigration from the EU ? Any EU citizen that wants to go to the UK simply has to get to Ireland and cross this unmanned border. Then if they want to go to Britain they just get on a plane or a ferry and there will be no passport checks. Or are the British government secretly planning to check people arriving from NI at ports and airports, but don't want to make this public as it will upset the DUP which would bring the government down ?

Either the government are peddling yet more lies and deceit to avoid having to tackle this issue because they haven't got the answer to it or they are living in a complete fantasy world of post-Brexit utopia. I suspect it is the former.
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The EU check people in and out of the EU. If they arrive in ROI and leave ROI then that’s down to the EU. The U.K. is quite happy for people to cross the border in either direction......
 
Mark O'Silver said:
Brexit will 'give us back our borders and end decades of uncontrolled immigration' according to Home Secretary Dajid Javid yesterday.

Yet the UK only has one land border with the EU, and apparently there aren't going to be any checks on people crossing it and if there are any then it will at the EU's behest.

So how are they going to stop immigration from the EU ? Any EU citizen that wants to go to the UK simply has to get to Ireland and cross this unmanned border. Then if they want to go to Britain they just get on a plane or a ferry and there will be no passport checks. Or are the British government secretly planning to check people arriving from NI at ports and airports, but don't want to make this public as it will upset the DUP which would bring the government down ?

Either the government are peddling yet more lies and deceit to avoid having to tackle this issue because they haven't got the answer to it or they are living in a complete fantasy world of post-Brexit utopia. I suspect it is the former.
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Their answer is the Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill going through parliament will have border checks for people and goods on the island of Ireland.This is against the Good Friday Agreement and has been designed with that in mind, so the Brexiteers can say 'we've left the EU' and 'regained control of our borders'. This will mean delays at the new UK border on the island of Ireland as passports and documentation is checked. stopping all those without a UK passport, including Irish citizens in the north, and detaining those not allowed to enter the UK i.e 'a Calais' situation will develop on the border. Unfortunately, this avenue will hit Dover and other ports hard due to increased security checks on people and goods. They are already planning for an M20 lorry park.
 
peteblue said:
The EU check people in and out of the EU. If they arrive in ROI and leave ROI then that’s down to the EU. The U.K. is quite happy for people to cross the border in either direction......
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So you are quite happy for there to be uncontrolled immigration from the EU crossing the Irish border yet at the same time claim to have taken back control of your borders.

What utter hypocrisy.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
So you are quite happy for there to be uncontrolled immigration from the EU crossing the Irish border yet at the same time claim to have taken back control of your borders.

What utter hypocrisy.
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No. We have a good Friday agreement and we will stick with it. It’s up to the ROI and the EU if they will too. We also have borders with Spain and Cyprus.....
 
peteblue said:
The EU check people in and out of the EU. If they arrive in ROI and leave ROI then that’s down to the EU. The U.K. is quite happy for people to cross the border in either direction......
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Your home Secretary is making the claim that you will take back all of your borders and control them again so your response doesn't even make sense. His statement therefore is false.

Also the more you repeat this the more stupid you sound...It's not the first time you have made this statement and honestly that's idiotic.

The ports in Ireland will check both EU and non EU passports as they always do and let the people in to enjoy whatever it is they want to do that meets the requirements of their passport and visa in the case of them being non EU. Ireland checks people coming into Ireland not the EU. Obviously as part of the EU, anyone holding an EU passport is free to move on as long as they have no warrants etc...

Essentially his statement is false as is your assertion its the EU's responsibility to control Irish borders.
 
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