If mercenaries want to leave let them. Our priority should be MOYES.

[WA Toffee]

If you are a footballer whose career is over by mid 30's you want to make sure you're set for life so as in any other career you want the best possible pay that you feel you deserve, these guys don't get a pension when they retire and it's not the footballers fault that it's all silly money now.

But surely any player who already gets 40k a week on a 5 year contract (which is about 10M) is already set up for life? Even if they are on 20K a week they are still set up for life. Why do they need to go begging for another couple of million? And when did the law that ex footballers are not allowed to get another job for the rest of their life come in?

I think that concept was valid back in the 80s, but now that pretty much every premiership footballer is a millionaire and has enough money for the rest of their life, it is just a line trotted out by extremely greedy players who just want as much as they can get.

 

[Elong]

But surely any player who already gets 40k a week on a 5 year contract (which is about 10M) is already set up for life? Even if they are on 20K a week they are still set up for life. Why do they need to go begging for another couple of million? And when did the law that ex footballers are not allowed to get another job for the rest of their life come in?

I think that concept was valid back in the 80s, but now that pretty much every premiership footballer is a millionaire and has enough money for the rest of their life, it is just a line trotted out by extremely greedy players who just want as much as they can get.

I guess the argument for that is that once you start living the high end life, you have to keep earning to finance it, rightly or wrongly.
Also half of their income is taxed, not trying to make them sound hard done by, but yeah cash in hand is 50% of the figure you see.

 

[McBain]

So Baines doesnt take pot shots anymore...which was due to the fact that Wigan had/have zero creativity forcing him to have a crack...and that is a negative characteristic of Moyes?!

Our manager has help shaped Leighton Baines into, for me currently, the best LB in the Premier League. His distribution, crossing, one-on-ones both offensively and defensively are nothing short of superb.

I cannot understand fellow blues such as Davek having a pop at David Moyes. We can speculate all day long on why he does/doesnt do things in matches, why he has/hasnt signed such a player. The fact of the matter is that no-one outside the club knows exactly what is going on inside the club. The somewhat abusive nature of opinions directed at Moyes is out of order.

This isnt football manager. You, I, we, do not know better than David Moyes. Yes we can have our opinions on who would do a better job but to turn a blind eye now to what he has achieved is ridiculous.

When we reached the Champions League, no-one was complaining about the brand of football because in the end we achieved the near impossible. But now, even though we play a better brand of football, because of the spending of the teams above we cannot achieve the same feat. But...for some strange reason...certain blues blame our MANAGER for that. Blame the board fine, but how can we blame the ginger man because he hasnt got cash to buy flair players and other teams have.

Absurd.

First of all mate, calm down. You gotta watch those Hammies.

Yes, Leighton is now probably the best Left Back in the League on his day, and you are right, Moyes has helped shape him purely by being his manager.

The argument could be made that he would have always risen to the top at any side, given his skill levels and build. My point is that positionally, Moyes has drummed that side of his game right out. Saying that he may score a screamer this weekend, but I haven't seen him hit one of those in many a year, and he always used to pop up more frequently than that. Maybe that's a good thing, but that's the point about Moyes. Frustrating.

What has Moyes achieved? Has he turned his success into Trophies? Not yet. For all the plaudits, this is a game where achievements are measured in Silver, and he has been unlucky.

What you don't see is that we have a very long, very proud, and very winning history down the years. We want to get back to battering teams and winning Trophies, and 10 years, despite the circumstances is a very long time.

No one should be immune from criticism though, surely?

 

[Jags..class]

First of all mate, calm down. You gotta watch those Hammies.

Yes, Leighton is now probably the best Left Back in the League on his day, and you are right, Moyes has helped shape him purely by being his manager.

The argument could be made that he would have always risen to the top at any side, given his skill levels and build. My point is that positionally, Moyes has drummed that side of his game right out. Saying that he may score a screamer this weekend, but I haven't seen him hit one of those in many a year, and he always used to pop up more frequently than that. Maybe that's a good thing, but that's the point about Moyes. Frustrating.

What has Moyes achieved? Has he turned his success into Trophies? Not yet. For all the plaudits, this is a game where achievements are measured in Silver, and he has been unlucky.

What you don't see is that we have a very long, very proud, and very winning history down the years. We want to get back to battering teams and winning Trophies, and 10 years, despite the circumstances is a very long time.

No one should be immune from criticism though, surely?

Erm not in this game mate, tell me how many clubs who are as skint as us won cups since the money boom.

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

But surely any player who already gets 40k a week on a 5 year contract (which is about 10M) is already set up for life? Even if they are on 20K a week they are still set up for life. Why do they need to go begging for another couple of million? And when did the law that ex footballers are not allowed to get another job for the rest of their life come in?

I think that concept was valid back in the 80s, but now that pretty much every premiership footballer is a millionaire and has enough money for the rest of their life, it is just a line trotted out by extremely greedy players who just want as much as they can get.

Like Elong said half taxed but i'm not trying to justify players wages they are overpaid, all i'm saying is it's not the players fault that clubs are willing to pay ridiculous money and if you were in the same situation you would do exactly the same.

 

[Jags..class]

Like Elong said half taxed but i'm not trying to justify players wages they are overpaid, all i'm saying is it's not the players fault that clubs are willing to pay ridiculous money and if you were in the same situation you would do exactly the same.

Agree, Humans are greedy and will take the highest offer but there are those players who will push a move(lescott) and hand in transfer requests in(Rooney), refused to play for their teams(dempsey) , just cos they earn millions they should still commit to the contract and act like Gentlemen.

 

[sheeds]

Erm not in this game mate, tell me how many clubs who are as skint as us won cups since the money boom.

If you go back to 96 to exclude our 95 FA Cup win you've probably only got Pompey in that tournament although arsenal without a huge spend difference to us have won a few. The league cup appears a bit more open with the following clubs Winning it since our last trophy Villa , Spurs x2, Birmingham, Leicester city x2 , Blackburn & boro

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

Agree, Humans are greedy and will take the highest offer but there are those players who will push a move(lescott) and hand in transfer requests in(Rooney), refused to play for their teams(dempsey) , just cos they earn millions they should still commit to the contract and act like Gentlemen.

In a nutshell

 

[sheeds]

In a nutshell

I have no idea of your lifestyle but I bet there are people you look at as 'greedy' & 'wasting money frivolously ' whilst I'm confident there could well be people that view your life the same. It's just the nature of life but I don't necessarily blame footballers for wanting to maximise their earnings because we all do it whether your earning £18k, £80k or £4m and in the vast majority of cases people live towards the edges of their incomes whether at the top or the bottom end of the scale.

 

[Moomin]

I guess the argument for that is that once you start living the high end life, you have to keep earning to finance it, rightly or wrongly.
Also half of their income is taxed, not trying to make them sound hard done by, but yeah cash in hand is 50% of the figure you see.

Sadly, quite a few use accountants to set up tax avoidance schemes for them.

 

[ToffeeBlueNose]

I have no idea of your lifestyle but I bet there are people you look at as 'greedy' & 'wasting money frivolously ' whilst I'm confident there could well be people that view your life the same. It's just the nature of life but I don't necessarily blame footballers for wanting to maximise their earnings because we all do it whether your earning £18k, £80k or £4m and in the vast majority of cases people live towards the edges of their incomes whether at the top or the bottom end of the scale.

I do look at some people as greedy and flaunting wealth but no doubt if i had cash to flash i probably would. I'm not going to sit and say i'd be a philanthropist by any means. I stated in my earlier post that given the opportunity for more money no matter what salary you're already on, you would take it, it's human nature. Who in the right mind would say "sorry, don't want my 50K a week wage rise, give it to that Bill everton bloke he's skint"

 

[Elong]

Sadly, quite a few use accountants to set up tax avoidance schemes for them.

I need one of these!

 

[dixie7]

But surely any player who already gets 40k a week on a 5 year contract (which is about 10M) is already set up for life? Even if they are on 20K a week they are still set up for life. Why do they need to go begging for another couple of million? And when did the law that ex footballers are not allowed to get another job for the rest of their life come in?

I think that concept was valid back in the 80s, but now that pretty much every premiership footballer is a millionaire and has enough money for the rest of their life, it is just a line trotted out by extremely greedy players who just want as much as they can get.

you budget yourself on what your earn, like adebayor for example spent 11m on 2 houses, so thats over a years wages gone already.

its not as if they are buying 4 bedroom houses for 200k each and a family hatchback like the average family does.

you budget your money on what you earn, the more you earn the more you spend.

 

[sheeds]

you budget yourself on what your earn, like adebayor for example spent 11m on 2 houses, so thats over a years wages gone already.

its not as if they are buying 4 bedroom houses for 200k each and a family hatchback like the average family does.

you budget your money on what you earn, the more you earn the more you spend.

Spot on , if your a brickie your missus/girlfriend is unlikely to demand a upper class flight and 2 weeks in sandy lane or a brand new top of the range car but if your a footy player you'll be be spending cash on the whole 'lifestyle' . As you say through in a couple of houses and a messy divorce and the money takes a knock. Almost Everyone spends at the top end of their income it's just the way people live.

If your an everton player and we sign another player who isn't as 'influential' or frankly 'as good as you' but gets £65k whilst your on £30k what would you do ? Would you say "ah I'm happy with my lot so I'll leave it" ? Because I'm pretty sure I wouldn't

 

[neo2020]

For all the plaudits, this is a game where achievements are measured in Silver, and he has been unlucky.

I think the truth of modern football is that achievements are measured as a ratio of spending:success. That's why someone like Roberto Martinez is seen as a good manager: keeping Wigan in the PL with the small budget and the terrible players he inherited is seen as an achievement, whereas Dogleash won some silver last season and still got the sack.

By that measure, David Moyes is probably one of the most successful managers in the history of this league.

What you don't see is that we have a very long, very proud, and very winning history down the years. We want to get back to battering teams and winning Trophies, and 10 years, despite the circumstances is a very long time.

I want that too and we both know that the only way it's going to happen is if we are suddenly able to spend as much as the teams at the top of the league, whether by becoming a sugardaddy's plaything or a salary cap being introduced. If we keep spending less than other clubs, we'll keep struggling to return to our glory days. Fact.