If mercenaries want to leave let them. Our priority should be MOYES.

[dixie7]

Is his contract up at the end of this season or next?

this season.

 

[dixie7]

David is coming into his final year of contract and he could well shock the country and all of us by refusing a new deal. I love Fellaini, don't get me wrong he's my favourite player, but if he decides to go elsewhere what could you do. We'd get an immense fee and Moyes' could strengthen to negate the detriment of him leaving.

Further we saw what happened to Pienaar when he went to Spurs. Simply couldn't fit in. If a player like Fellaini would risk their aces by going elsewhere that's their gamble. All I'm concerned about Everton getting the right players for the team. Players of the Baines', Pienaar and Cahill mould.

The league is getting ridiculous. Rumours that United would have happily payed Ronaldo 500 K a week. It is ludicrous and quite disgusting that the same crap goes on with the Portsmouth scare only a few years ago. If the league keeps going how it is, with the rich top 20% of clubs paying silly wages, and the remaining 80 percent borrowing non-existant monopoly money from the bank to make ends meet, there's gonna be a bust eventually, there's going to be a cap eventually, and there's going to be a switch up of the whole system in conjunction with the fact the Premier League wants teams to integrate more English players. It can't be done because only the rich teams can afford it.

The important thing for us is firstly keeping Moyes. Then its getting through the next 5 years, recycling the mercs who don't want to play for us, bringing down our debt, and being in a healthy position when the whole thing comes crashing down which it will, with the way wages are ridiculously increasing.

The day Moyes' leaves I'd literally shed a tear. He is the perfect man for our current situation.

But from moyes point of view what could he learn/acheive that he hasnt already,how can you build a successful team when you have to sell your best players to buy others

5 years ago we were in negotiations for a new stadium and it was wnough to persuade moyes to stay, now theres nothing, Moyes has had 10 years here and if he did stay for 5 more years he would be in exactly the same place he is now. I would love him to stay as it means 5 more years of guaranteed prem football but you cant blame him for thinking about going elsewhere to win trophies.

I remember moyes talking about a 5 year plan when he signed his last contract and we are basically in a worse position from 5 years ago

 

[sheeds]

If Moyes bought Preston up, Preston would likely have Lescott, Baines, Arteta, Cahill and so on and we would have the equivelent achievements of whichever manager we replaced him with.
Which manager according to the criteria laid out by Toffeebluenose there is superior? Its not about anything other than if they are better they would of done better for their clubs than he has for us. Use the first 5 years if it helps.. Who has made a better squad faster and cheaper than Moyes over his first 5 years?
TBN's question was how do you know a different manager couldn't of built a better squad, cheaper and quicker and the obvious answer has to be simply because they didn't.

Really you think that ? It's all about opinions but I'd be suprised even if you look at wages front where I couldn't see Preston getting close to them nor do I think they'd have paid the agents fee for Cahill who in case you've forgot was poised to sign for palace until jordan pulled the plug on that extra fee.

On kipper there were anti-moyes posters but also those that if you dared suggest the club could survive without him you'd be pilloried and I hope that isn't the case here. I personally believe moyes has done a good job but I do believe it's 'wrong' ,for anyone to say with any degree of conviction what would happen if he went and I do read how a club formed in 1878 and in the top flight for over a 100 years in total would crumble if Davy left

As TBN says Di Matteo is a great example who'd believe he'd be a bloke who'd win the FA Cup & Champions League , football will always be about timing if McDermott or Adkins struggle they'll go from hero to zero fairly quickly and how long since rodgers was sacked by reading or The jobless redknapp massive favourite for the England job .

Just have a look at the LMA awards to see how stars rise and wane, if moyes had left pre-season I'd ,aye have had lambert but he could struggle badly we just don't know. If Dalglish had been sacked 12 months ago would rodgers have got the job ?

 

[Moomin]

If Moyes does go, I'd have Martinez.

Rodgers reaped the rewards of his groundwork at Swansea.

 

[sheeds]

If Moyes does go, I'd have Martinez.

Rodgers reaped the rewards of his groundwork at Swansea.

Be an interesting year for him for me as I wanted him to get the lpool Job as I didn't think he was up to it and I've heard from good sources that he's considered 'weak' but a year that sees them outside the bottom six might change my opinion but I'm not a huge fan at present.

 

[Brennan]

What i'd like to know, why is Moyes the one who gets all the credit for picking the good players we sign ? Scouting networks exist for a reason.

Anybody saying that another manager within our reach COULD NOT have done what a guy who used to manage Preston has done is high and drunk.

Can every manager do it ? Obviously not. But David Moyes is not Jesus re-incarnated.

And for those who say nobody could do what he has done regarding transfers, how many managers would have been kept on after nearly getting their team relegated in their second season in charge ?

 

[Moomin]

What i'd like to know, why is Moyes the one who gets all the credit for picking the good players we sign ? Scouting networks exist for a reason.

Anybody saying that another manager within our reach COULD NOT have done what a guy who used to manage Preston has done is high and drunk.

Can every manager do it ? Obviously not. But David Moyes is not Jesus re-incarnated.

And for those who say nobody could do what he has done regarding transfers, how many managers would have been kept on after nearly getting their team relegated in their second season in charge ?

Agree with that, our scouts never get the recognition they deserve. Especially the guy out in Ireland, hopefully this Ben lad will be a find as well.

In defence of Moyes, he is old school and will watch a player he is interested in numerous times in person.

I remember reading an article about Moyes in the Independent years ago, he realised in his early 20's that he was not good enough to play at the top level. He started his coaching badges at a young age and would watch games in his spare time and write and phone clubs to watch them train. This was all done while playing first team football.

He wrote to Bobby Robson who may have been manager of Barca at the time asking to watch him train the team. Bobby replied saying yes, but
Moyes could never get the time off to take him up on the offer. If I remember correctly, Robson and him used to speak over the phone and help him out with advice.

 

[sheeds]

Said it in the Pardew thread at the end of the day we can give scouts credit but its the manager who makes the decisions , it's not just about ability but about what else they bring and where they fit in. Also however distasteful to some agents also play their role in contacting clubs over players who are available.

On the scouting player front I think Jelavic is an example of moyes' strengths as with the exception of big sam I'm not sure anyone fancied him including i think our scouts but certainly our backroom. Moyes wanted him and was resolute about it & it looks to have been a good decision.

 

[Ihaters]

Really you think that ? It's all about opinions but I'd be suprised even if you look at wages front where I couldn't see Preston getting close to them nor do I think they'd have paid the agents fee for Cahill who in case you've forgot was poised to sign for palace until jordan pulled the plug on that extra fee.

On kipper there were anti-moyes posters but also those that if you dared suggest the club could survive without him you'd be pilloried and I hope that isn't the case here. I personally believe moyes has done a good job but I do believe it's 'wrong' ,for anyone to say with any degree of conviction what would happen if he went and I do read how a club formed in 1878 and in the top flight for over a 100 years in total would crumble if Davy left

As TBN says Di Matteo is a great example who'd believe he'd be a bloke who'd win the FA Cup & Champions League , football will always be about timing if McDermott or Adkins struggle they'll go from hero to zero fairly quickly and how long since rodgers was sacked by reading or The jobless redknapp massive favourite for the England job .

Just have a look at the LMA awards to see how stars rise and wane, if moyes had left pre-season I'd ,aye have had lambert but he could struggle badly we just don't know. If Dalglish had been sacked 12 months ago would rodgers have got the job ?

Can see how it would come across as being blindly pro moyes but I am more than happy to admit he has plenty of tactical issues. I still maintain though that if the job he's done is so average or even slightly above average, that we could easily replace him with better as some here assume.. why can no one show examples of managers doing much better for more than a 1 off season?... Its been 10 years you would of thought someone must have blown him away by now.
Is it down to the quality of our board that we finish above the similar financed teams and several far better funded ones year after year?
ToffeeBlueNose did indeed mention Di Matteo and how he got sacked from a poor team like the one Moyes took over, and then won the league with one of the most expensively assembled teams in the world.. Suggests to me that it kind of backs up my position of how good Moyes has been, that we are competitive with Di Matteos super expensive Chelsea team, with a team built from similar origins to the club Di Matteo wasn't good enough to perform at.
Also says to me what I already though.. Its easier to buy the league with money than to even stay in it without.. and to be able to challenge for Europe without it is massively underrated by Everton fans imo.
Not saying anyones wrong, its all opinion but the one fact I can see is that since he came here, no manager has done more to change a clubs fortunes than him... And maybe Redknapp with Portsmouth.
Having said that he is pretty poor at making subs, I don't buy into the negativity as much as some but he certainly has his moments and he did get me all excited by buying AVM so he's far from perfect.

 

[Neiler]

I think im right in saying some people like Davey and some people dont.

Thats pretty much the jist of it really.

 

[WA Toffee]

I think im right in saying some people like Davey and some people dont.

Thats pretty much the jist of it really.

There is that, but I think it is more 50 shades of gray. 99% of people can see his faults AND his benefits, just a matter of which one you focus on more.
Does every cloud have a silver lining or does every silver lining have a cloud?

 

[fandjango]

Not sure I understand the term mercenary. If it means somebody who would change his job for another one with better pay and prospects that probably includes every single supporter standing on the terraces. The way to keep a footballer is to make it attractive enough in terms of pay, conditions and future prospects for him to decide its the place to stay.
Take pienaar as the model for this. He made a miscalculation. The pay and prospects at WHL were looking good. BUT they were not realised. He came back because his pay and prospects here were better. People who leave leave out of the basic human desire to earn more and to have better prospect. Footballers are people too. Everton FC as much as I love it has no divine right to make a footballer stay just out of loyally. It is the responsibility of the football club to provide for the needs of the player (including success within a reasonable time frame) or accept that players will move on.

 

[Summerskin]

I'd hate it if Moyes left, imagine all those cup finals and derby wins we'd miss out on...not to mention the great footy.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Can see how it would come across as being blindly pro moyes but I am more than happy to admit he has plenty of tactical issues. I still maintain though that if the job he's done is so average or even slightly above average, that we could easily replace him with better as some here assume.. why can no one show examples of managers doing much better for more than a 1 off season?... Its been 10 years you would of thought someone must have blown him away by now.
Is it down to the quality of our board that we finish above the similar financed teams and several far better funded ones year after year?
ToffeeBlueNose did indeed mention Di Matteo and how he got sacked from a poor team like the one Moyes took over, and then won the league with one of the most expensively assembled teams in the world.. Suggests to me that it kind of backs up my position of how good Moyes has been, that we are competitive with Di Matteos super expensive Chelsea team, with a team built from similar origins to the club Di Matteo wasn't good enough to perform at.
Also says to me what I already though.. Its easier to buy the league with money than to even stay in it without.. and to be able to challenge for Europe without it is massively underrated by Everton fans imo.
Not saying anyones wrong, its all opinion but the one fact I can see is that since he came here, no manager has done more to change a clubs fortunes than him... And maybe Redknapp with Portsmouth.
Having said that he is pretty poor at making subs, I don't buy into the negativity as much as some but he certainly has his moments and he did get me all excited by buying AVM so he's far from perfect.

Average managers only get 2 years in the Prem so either Moyes is above average or he works for an unambitious sloth who sees midtable without cups as effin' marvellous and is therefore a jammy ginger.

It's a tuf call.

 

[Ihaters]

Average managers only get 2 years in the Prem so either Moyes is above average or he works for an unambitious sloth who sees midtable without cups as effin' marvellous and is therefore a jammy ginger.

It's a tuf call.

Why would they sack him? he just finished 7th, something done once in the entire previous decade. That's not sloth behaviour that's just sense.
That he went on to improve us as much as he has but under the restrictions he has been under suggests to me that both of your statements are true. The board have been below average, Moyes has been above average.