Current Affairs How do we tackle terrorism?

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Watched a show on CNN last light called the United Shades of America about small town Muslims here.

It was a good watch. Going back to @orly's take, education would go a long way. Muslims are not the problem...neither is Islam as a whole.

There are like 26 different teachings of Islam and most of them are just like the numerous teachings of Christianity.

There is an extreme part that exists though...but why? The healing of extremism comes when everyone takes a bath in the frandly waters.

Until the perceived bully (the West) takes appropriate actions towards peace and harmony, the perceived bullied will continue to flex their muscles and nothing will change.

Interesting points. The Saudis have been instrumental in creating a more aggressive form of Islam ideology to expand it's economic, social and political agenda in the Middle East. They have been instrumental in financing and arming Sunni's to wage war against Shia's in Iraq, Iran, Syria, And wanting to get rid of Gadaffi, waging war against the people of the Yemen.

It has been no surprise that these countries were central to the US 'war on terror' 'axis of evil'. Any attempt to deal with what happened in Manchester and other places in Europe will have to have deal with their own support for Saudi Arabia, including their trade in arms and oil.
 
I see besides the ex head of Cobra that an ex Scotland Yard man seems to agree with a few of us......

"Tarique Ghaffur warns there are too many extremists on the streets for police and MI5 officers to monitor.

Mr Ghaffur, an Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when the 7/7 bombings took place, proposes that special centres be set up to detain as many as 3,000 extremists, where they can be kept from launching attacks.

They would also be made to go through a de-radicalisation programme."
 
If it's from the same interview I heard yesterday, it is also admitted that MI6 caused issues by not sharing information with MI5 regarding the 'operatives' used by the service abroad upon returning to the UK.

I see besides the ex head of Cobra that an ex Scotland Yard man seems to agree with a few of us......

"Tarique Ghaffur warns there are too many extremists on the streets for police and MI5 officers to monitor.

Mr Ghaffur, an Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when the 7/7 bombings took place, proposes that special centres be set up to detain as many as 3,000 extremists, where they can be kept from launching attacks.

They would also be made to go through a de-radicalisation programme."
 
If it's from the same interview I heard yesterday, it is also admitted that MI6 caused issues by not sharing information with MI5 regarding the 'operatives' used by the service abroad upon returning to the UK.

Did he say why those who have been involved with secret information were allowed to say there were '3 000 extremists' in this country? Surely, such information is sensitive and 'classified'. Of course this figure can't be verified as we are not allowed to see the information.

It appears there are two different agendas going on between MI5 and MI6.
 
That was the crux really, there's a culture of MI6 being the best (via recruitment policy and perks) and that there's little communication/cooperation between the two.
I have a reliable source that hundreds of ex-Libyan fighters were being housed for a prolonged period in a prestigious Athenian hotel at tax-payer's expense (a few £k pp/night), although I don't know whether it was eu or uk, although the latter certainly wouldn't surprise.

Did he say why those who have been involved with secret information were allowed to say there were '3 000 extremists' in this country? Surely, such information is sensitive and 'classified'. It appears there are two different agendas going on between MI5 and MI6.
 
That was the crux really, there's a culture of MI6 being the best (via recruitment policy and perks) and that there's little communication/cooperation between the two.
I have a reliable source that hundreds of ex-Libyan fighters were being housed for a prolonged period in a prestigious Athenian hotel at tax-payer's expense (a few £k pp/night), although I don't know whether it was eu or uk, although the latter certainly wouldn't surprise.

So 'ex Libyan fighters' who were the 'good guys' when they were fighting Gadaffi and given sanctuary in the UK, are being housed at UK taxpayers expense, and may be included in the '3 000 terrorists'?

Why would MI5 and MI6 get information and not share it?
 
I did say may be eu,and I have no idea whether they're still there,nor how they would be categorised if they came to the uk.

So 'ex Libyan fighters' who were the 'good guys' when they were fighting Gadaffi and given sanctuary in the UK, are being housed at UK taxpayers expense, and may be included in the '3 000 terrorists'?

Why would MI5 and MI6 get information and not share it?
 
I did say may be eu,and I have no idea whether they're still there,nor how they would be categorised if they came to the uk.

Tarique Ghaffur seems to be calling for internment with the consent of Iman's. There is a co-ordinates campaign by sections of the police and ex military people like Colonel Richard Kemp to 'lock them up'. Kemp has intervened in the political arena constantly to claim Corbyn would have 'blood on his hands' with his proposals to deal with security and Trident. Not surprising really that this man gets media time with his anti Corbyn agenda, considering he still sees nothing wrong, and still backs, the Iraq war. Despite the lies and deception.
 
UK security and counter-terrorism
'Sensitive' UK terror funding inquiry may never be published
Investigation into foreign funding and support of jihadi groups operating in UK understood to focus on Saudi Arabia




Theresa May with crown prince Muhammad bin Nayef during her visit to Saudi Arabia in April. Photograph: Saudi Press Agency Handout/EPA

Wednesday 31 May 2017 15.20 BSTLast modified on Wednesday 31 May 2017 18.08 BST

An investigation into the foreign funding and support of jihadi groups that was authorised by David Cameron may never be published, the Home Office has admitted.

The inquiry into revenue streams for extremist groups operating in the UK was commissioned by the former prime minister and is thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, which has repeatedly been highlighted by European leaders as a funding source for Islamist jihadis.

The investigation was launched as part of a deal with the Liberal Democrats in exchange for the party supporting the extension of British airstrikes against Islamic State into Syria in December 2015.

Tom Brake, the Lib Dem foreign affairs spokesman, has written to the prime minister asking her to confirm that the investigation will not be shelved.

The Observer reported in January last year that the Home Office’s extremism analysis unit had been directed by Downing Street to investigate overseas funding of extremist groups in the UK, with findings to be shown to Theresa May, then home secretary, and Cameron.

However, 18 months later, the Home Office confirmed the report had not yet been completed and said it would not necessarily be published, calling the contents “very sensitive”.

A decision would be taken “after the election by the next government” about the future of the investigation, a Home Office spokesman said.

In his letter to May, Brake wrote: “As home secretary at the time, your department was one of those leading on the report. Eighteen months later, and following two horrific terrorist attacks by British-born citizens, that report still remains incomplete and unpublished.

“It is no secret that Saudi Arabia in particular provides funding to hundreds of mosques in the UK, espousing a very hardline Wahhabist interpretation of Islam. It is often in these institutions that British extremism takes root.”

The contents of the report may prove politically as well as legally sensitive. Saudi Arabia, which has been a funding source for fundamentalist Islamist preachers and mosques, was visited by May earlier this year.

Last December, a leaked report from Germany’s federal intelligence service accused several Gulf groups of funding religious schools and radical Salafist preachers in mosques, calling it “a long-term strategy of influence”.

The Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron, said he felt the government had not held up its side of the bargain made ahead of the vote on airstrikes. The report must be published when it was completed, he insisted, despite the Home Office caution that information in the document would be sensitive.

“That short-sighted approach needs to change. It is critical that these extreme, hardline views are confronted head on, and that those who fund them are called out publicly,” he said.

“If the Conservatives are serious about stopping terrorism on our shores, they must stop stalling and reopen investigation into foreign funding of violent extremism in the UK.”

Will May publish the report if she is elected? Doubt it as the Tories have been the biggest supporters of Saudi's political, social and economic policies and military actions in places like Yemen.
 
I see besides the ex head of Cobra that an ex Scotland Yard man seems to agree with a few of us......

"Tarique Ghaffur warns there are too many extremists on the streets for police and MI5 officers to monitor.

Mr Ghaffur, an Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard when the 7/7 bombings took place, proposes that special centres be set up to detain as many as 3,000 extremists, where they can be kept from launching attacks.

They would also be made to go through a de-radicalisation programme."

Burpees, squats and bacon butties. That should sort them out
 
I believe there is now great confusion in the UK.

For those who live in integrated communities, we don't see any real problems.

For people who live in towns which have been completely overtaken and are now predominantly occupied, it is a massive problem.

It's easy to be subjective about it if you don't live in one of those towns or cities where this has happened, and people are openly taunted by Muslim's who will openly goad people by telling them that they have and will take over the whole country etc etc.

Our government's have been weak and way too liberal in allowing these towns to be taken over. We have reaped what we have sown and are now paying the price.

People who mix can get on, but not everybody can mix.
 
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