Current Affairs How do we tackle terrorism?

[Seanjd]

Foreign policy is not what created jihadists and is not the reason we are being viciously attacked. Foreign policy has been a reactionary attempt to solve the problem which hasn't worked and needs to be rethought because the biggest threat is homegrown.

Foreign policy has made the situation far worse than it ever would have been. Perfect conditions for terrorist organisation to recruit, grow, and change people's minds.

 

[degsy]

State of this.

So to summarize:

- The war on terror isn't very effective but we should ignore that and carry on...Not what I said. I'm echoing Corbyn, it isn't that the WoT isn't doing much so stop it and all the problems will go away - we're fighting the wrong type of war

- 99.9% of the middle east is innocent but we should conduct a new style of total war on the region...you left of the bit about targeting the 0.0001whatever% - Context, it's all about context.

- To defeat the terrorists we have to be even more total war than they are but to be careful not become just as bad as them - too right, got to be careful on that

- Admitting that you don't know what the solution is despite stating:
"stop turning the other cheek and saying hate doesn't win here, we love everybody.they're not going to change just coz we give them lovely thoughts

Stop saying the war on terrorism isn't working so stop it." They won't go away just because we pull out all the troops

All in the same post.

Fantastic stuff.

your seeming fair and open minded 'we can all work out our differences' is another man's blinkered view and tbh, I'm not alone in not knowing the solution.

What's yours then.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Foreign policy has made the situation far worse than it ever would have been. Perfect conditions for terrorist organisation to recruit, grow, and change people's minds.

I agree it hasn't helped. But the Corbyn argument is too simplistic. These IS types will keep trying to attack us regardless of what we do, and there's nothing to say things would be vastly better if we'd acted differently.

All we should be doing in the here and now is upping intelligence against suspected homegrown terrorists and not being scared to lock up people who are likely to be a threat.

 

[Boss_Blue]

your seeming fair and open minded 'we can all work out our differences' is another man's blinkered view and tbh, I'm not alone in not knowing the solution.

What's yours then.

- Support neighbouring nations to firstly take back ISIS territorial gains through logistics, training and intelligence sharing.

- Withdraw support for rival factions in Syria to help stabilize the region and allow for more focus to be put on ISIS.

- End foreign policy that arms nations that fund and supply terror organisations.

- End foreign policy that seeks to remove oppressive regimes when no suitable alternative to the regime is available and there isn't the plan or resource to do so effectively.

-End all air/drone strikes against targets in urban areas to prevent civilian deaths that fuel extremist recruitment drives.

-Pursue political means to fight terror organisations once the ISIS military threat is nullified.

- The sense to recognise when a strategy is not working and the ability to adjust our approach when required.



That's just some possible ideas and they would be extremely difficult and likely yield mixed results but would be infinitely preferable to the policies of the past few decades.

 

[hullefc]

A good contribution to this thread from a local publication:

http://www.irishnews.com/opinion/co...ists-take-away-the-freedoms-we-value-1035995/

A very interesting article and probably reflects the changing reaction to, and attitudes towards, events like the Manchester bombing amongst the UK public. During the 1970s, 80s and 90s until the Good Friday Agreement, any bomb would be met with a chorus 'shoot them, lock them all up, hang them etc. etc.. The reaction to Manchester hasn't led to a similar reaction from the general public to 'hang 'em and flog 'em and lock them up'. A sea change, I would suggest. That is why Corbyn is getting a hearing for what he has always believed in.

When the crowd started singing 'Don't look back in Anger' it was not only very moving but also touched a chord with people. Hopefully, in the UK this can lead to a discussion about what is happening without the usual calls about being an 'apologist'. The likes of Fallon and Farron are so out of touch they are rightly being castigated.

 

[degsy]

- Support neighbouring nations to firstly take back ISIS territorial gains through logistics, training and intelligence sharing.

- Withdraw support for rival factions in Syria to help stabilize the region and allow for more focus to be put on ISIS.

- End foreign policy that arms nations that fund and supply terror organisations.

- End foreign policy that seeks to remove oppressive regimes when no suitable alternative to the regime is available and there isn't the plan or resource to do so effectively.

-End all air/drone strikes against targets in urban areas to prevent civilian deaths that fuel extremist recruitment drives.

-Pursue political means to fight terror organisations once the ISIS military threat is nullified.

- The sense to recognise when a strategy is not working and the ability to adjust our approach when required.



That's just some possible ideas and they would be extremely difficult and likely yield mixed results but would be infinitely preferable to the policies of the past few decades.

Short version; just like me your proposals may or may not work and will be very difficult to implement...seems we do agree in principle, there is no one size fits all solution.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Short version; just like me your proposals may or may not work and will be very difficult to implement...seems we do agree in principle, there is no one size fits all solution.

Actually mate, unless I'm missing something, your proposal is an extension/escalation of current policy which has thus far proven to exacerbate the problem.

 

[degsy]

Actually mate, unless I'm missing something, your proposal is an extension/escalation of current policy which has thus far proven to exacerbate the problem.

what part of 'we're fighting the wrong war' did you miss

 

[Boss_Blue]

what part of 'we're fighting the wrong war' did you miss

Sorry mate, I obviously interpreted this differently to how you intended it:

Stop saying the war on terrorism isn't working so stop it

kill them
In total war you have to be even more total war that the enemy,

 

[degsy]

Sorry mate, I obviously interpreted this differently to how you intended it:

stop saying the WoT isn't working, so stop it, aka the terrorists won't stop/go away if we, for want of a better word, pull out.

your 2nd point with some context -
What I do know is that 99.999whatever% of people in Europe and the Middle east just want to live their lives in peace and that the hard part is sorting out the other 0.001whatever% - Then kill them
In total war you have to be even more total war that the enemy

 

[Boss_Blue]

stop saying the WoT isn't working, so stop it, aka the terrorists won't stop/go away if we, for want of a better word, pull out.

Who is actually saying that we should just ignore the terrorists and they will go away?

Taking a different approach to tackling the issue does not mean pulling out (unless you mean physically pulling out troops).

your 2nd point with some context -
What I do know is that 99.999whatever% of people in Europe and the Middle east just want to live their lives in peace and that the hard part is sorting out the other 0.001whatever% - Then kill them
In total war you have to be even more total war that the enemy

Sorry mate, lost me on this one - if I'm interpreting this right you are acknowledging that it is a tiny minority that are extremists but your solution would be to be 'even more total war than the enemy.'

You will have to explain what you mean by that, as the more I read it the more chilling it sounds.

 

[degsy]

Who is actually saying that we should just ignore the terrorists and they will go away?

Taking a different approach to tackling the issue does not mean pulling out (unless you mean physically pulling out troops).


Sorry mate, lost me on this one - if I'm interpreting this right you are acknowledging that it is a tiny minority that are extremists but your solution would be to be 'even more total war than the enemy.'

You will have to explain what you mean by that, as the more I read it the more chilling it sounds.

It does doesn't it, but we live in chilling times, facing a implacable, faceless, chilling enemy and the cure may turn out to be worse than the disease...and, if we leave it too long, don't find a way to defeat them it may soon be beyond us.
Now that IS chilling

 

[peteblue]

- Support neighbouring nations to firstly take back ISIS territorial gains through logistics, training and intelligence sharing.

- Withdraw support for rival factions in Syria to help stabilize the region and allow for more focus to be put on ISIS.

- End foreign policy that arms nations that fund and supply terror organisations.

- End foreign policy that seeks to remove oppressive regimes when no suitable alternative to the regime is available and there isn't the plan or resource to do so effectively.

-End all air/drone strikes against targets in urban areas to prevent civilian deaths that fuel extremist recruitment drives.

-Pursue political means to fight terror organisations once the ISIS military threat is nullified.

- The sense to recognise when a strategy is not working and the ability to adjust our approach when required.



That's just some possible ideas and they would be extremely difficult and likely yield mixed results but would be infinitely preferable to the policies of the past few decades.

I knew you didn't have a clue. It's easy to just criticise isn't it ?.......

 

[dandydan]

Poland has been involved in the war on terror yet never been attacked. How strange.

 

[orchard]

Poland has been involved in the war on terror yet never been attacked. How strange.

Not really. There may be a correlation between how multicultural particular societies are, and the ease with which these militants can operate.