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[Zezti]

I am 37 years old and can honestly say i have never seen racism in regards to work. Skin colour would not be a factor in whether someone gets the job.

Again, maybe it's not a race issue? Maybe White people tend to be more greed driven and ambitious where black people come from more of a family driven background and don't chase the high stress, less family hours roles?

Not everything in life is down to racism

sweeping generalisation??? it's completely true! They do tend to have bigger families. Is it wrong to say that? Jesus christ

Serious question; are you black?

 

[Prevenger17]

Effing hell. Are these lads on roids or something, is that the problem?

 

[mill]

Arguing for equality of opportunity is fine.

Arguing for equality of outcome is dangerous and nonsensical.

Also why is it that whenever people talk about the gender pay gap it’s always concerning roles that are very well paid. WE NEED MORE FEMALE CEO’S! Ok, great I agree. What about firefighters? Janitors? Bin collectors? Delivery drivers? Taxi drivers?

The notion that at any given time at any workplace, the staff will be split 50/50 (then you throw in other massively key factors like race) is just insane. You can extend this to society as a whole.

If I’ve read you wrong and it’s equality of opportunity you’re championing then we’re on the same page. Equality of outcome is ludicrous.

I referred to board representation and financial services because I work in that industry and so we talk about that a lot.

im not talking about equality of outcome I’m talking about equality of opportunity.

but there are loads of factors in play starting from an early age. Boys toys tend to be more skewed towards things like lego and building etc than girls which encourages interest in things like engineering etc. girls are less likely to study maths than boys. Within the industry (and alot of industries), supposedly ‘male’ traits (such as assertiveness - men are much more likely to ask for a pay rise or promotion) are rewarded more, maternity and paternity policies are generally skewed towards women (meaning they are more likely to take a career break due to circumstance rather than just through choice), lack of representation means there are fewer mentors and leaders and people to aspire to).

I’m all for equality of opportunity but there are lots of things a lot the way that mean that opportunity isn’t necessarily as equal as at face value. Anyway, other discussion for another time.

 

[LinekersLegs]

That's 8 in 10 Americans who respond to polls, Legs. What percentage of Americans don't respond to polls?

How accurate have polls proven to be in our electoral politics?

Valid point on response rates but it is something that can largely be corrected by a properly designed poll (haven’t looked into the guts of this one tbf)

What Low Response Rates Mean for Telephone Surveys

Telephone polls still provide accurate data on a wide range of social, demographic and political variables, but some weaknesses persist.

www.pewresearch.org

National polls have been pretty accurate in our electoral politics (the 2016 one were within the margin of error)

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

www.realclearpolitics.com

It is regional/local where they have generally been less accurate.

 

[jonnyboy316]

Arguing for equality of opportunity is fine.

Arguing for equality of outcome is dangerous and nonsensical.

Also why is it that whenever people talk about the gender pay gap it’s always concerning roles that are very well paid. WE NEED MORE FEMALE CEO’S! Ok, great I agree. What about firefighters? Janitors? Bin collectors? Delivery drivers? Taxi drivers?

The notion that at any given time at any workplace, the staff will be split 50/50 (then you throw in other massively key factors like race) is just insane. You can extend this to society as a whole.

If I’ve read you wrong and it’s equality of opportunity you’re championing then we’re on the same page. Equality of outcome is ludicrous.

I work in a large investment bank (in a middle management service role so no fat cat). The sacrifice that needs to be made to reach a senior MD or head of LOB role is massive. The job is effectively your life with very little time to switch off with massive pressure which all has a significant impact on family life. We have number of women in these roles but I honestly feel women on the whole find it more difficult or less desirable to make that sacrifice.

 

[mezzrow]

Valid point on response rates but it is something that can largely be corrected by a properly designed poll (haven’t looked into the guts of this one tbf)

What Low Response Rates Mean for Telephone Surveys

Telephone polls still provide accurate data on a wide range of social, demographic and political variables, but some weaknesses persist.

www.pewresearch.org

National polls have been pretty accurate in our electoral politics (the 2016 one were within the margin of error)

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

www.realclearpolitics.com

It is regional/local where they have generally been less accurate.

Good points, but this is also a singularly dynamic situation. These surveys were made back then, events are taking place now.

Answers aren't what they were a week ago or a month ago. We'll see what reality is sooner rather than later, I suspect.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Good points, but this is also a singularly dynamic situation. These surveys were made back then, events are taking place now.

Answers aren't what they were a week ago or a month ago. We'll see what reality is sooner rather than later, I suspect.

Agree with the dynamic issue and after all this is just one poll which is inherently more unreliable (even if it is itself a well designed poll). Going to be interesting to see how plays out over time, just found it intriguing as not what I expected tbh. especially having previously posted another earlier poll showing broad support for sending in military.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I have to disagree with you. In my view, racism is an intrinsic primeval instinct in us, originating in humans being territorial animals.
It is easy to develop and feed on, difficult to eradicate although it can be by education.

The idea of scientific racism is utter jarg.

 

[Zezti]

Effing hell. Are these lads on roids or something, is that the problem?

No idea.
Imagine if nobody caught it on camera, then imagine how many incidents there may be that don't get recorded.

 

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[Debunkology]

Arguing for equality of opportunity is fine.

Arguing for equality of outcome is dangerous and nonsensical.

Also why is it that whenever people talk about the gender pay gap it’s always concerning roles that are very well paid. WE NEED MORE FEMALE CEO’S! Ok, great I agree. What about firefighters? Janitors? Bin collectors? Delivery drivers? Taxi drivers?

The notion that at any given time at any workplace, the staff will be split 50/50 (then you throw in other massively key factors like race) is just insane. You can extend this to society as a whole.

If I’ve read you wrong and it’s equality of opportunity you’re championing then we’re on the same page. Equality of outcome is ludicrous.

The problem is that you maybe arguing with people who are so far left that they are basically communists. And they don't even realize it.

 

[Prevenger17]

The problem is that you maybe arguing with people who are so far left that they are basically communists. And they don't even realize it.

Yeah mate. Communists, that's it. Christ on a bike

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Amazing.

Antifa seems to get hyped up on twitter as this massive organisation.

I doubt that is the case.

Aye. Everyone is slagging them off but have no clue about them. They have no structure, leadership or membership.

 

[Prevenger17]

Aye. Everyone is slagging them off but have no clue about them. They have no structure, leadership or membership.

Personally think they're a bunch of virgins myself tbh

 

[arminisgod]

Serious question; are you black?

No. What has that got to do with it though? Do you have to be black to have an opinion on racism?