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[mill]

I am 37 years old and can honestly say i have never seen racism in regards to work. Skin colour would not be a factor in whether someone gets the job.

Again, maybe it's not a race issue? Maybe White people tend to be more greed driven and ambitious where black people come from more of a family driven background and don't chase the high stress, less family hours roles?

Not everything in life is down to racism

I didn’t say that everything was down to racism.

Read your second paragraph though.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Now if you can prove black people get paid LESS than white people for the same jobs then fair enough.

My own view is that there isn't really a racism issue as a whole in the uk, i think there is certainly a clash of cultures between whites and Muslims in certain areas of the country, but it's not only White people who have that issue

Here you go;

UK-born black African employees were paid 7.7 per cent less than UK-born white British with similar occupation and education characteristics, according to the ONS calculation.

Ethnic minority pay gap in UK still stubbornly wide

Workers of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin are paid up to 20% less than white British employees

www.ft.com

 

[Brennan]

Here you go;

UK-born black African employees were paid 7.7 per cent less than UK-born white British with similar occupation and education characteristics, according to the ONS calculation.

Ethnic minority pay gap in UK still stubbornly wide

Workers of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin are paid up to 20% less than white British employees

www.ft.com

Any chance you can screengrab/copypaste more of the article ? Interested to read but can’t see past the paywall.

 

[Debunkology]

You provided me with two papers to read. The first paper is pretty flawed, as even in the preprint stage the authors committed the prosecutor's fallace, mistaking Pr (X|Y) for Pr (Y|X). This was also pointed out in the follow-up critique by Knox and Mummulo, who showed that the paper you have provided me with was "mathematically incapble of supporting its central claims." See here: https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/117/3/1261.full.pdf

The authors of the paper replied to Knox and Mummulo.

See here:

Correction for Johnson et al., Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings

PSYCHOLOGICAL AND COGNITIVE SCIENCES Correction for “Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings,” by David J. Johnson, Trevor Tress, Nicole Burkel, Carley Taylor, and Joseph Cesario, which was first published July 22, 2019; 10.1073/pnas.1903856116 ( Proc...

www.pnas.org

“Although we were clear about the quantity we estimated and provide justification for calculating Pr(race|shot, X) in our report (see also 2, 3), we want to correct a sentence in our significance statement that has been quoted by others stating ‘White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers.’ This sentence refers to estimating Pr(shot|race, X). As we estimated Pr(race|shot, X), this sentence should read: ‘As the proportion of White officers in a fatal officer-involved shooting increased, a person fatally shot was not more likely to be of a racial minority.’ This is consistent with our framing of the results in the abstract and main text.

“We appreciate the feedback that led us to clarify this sentence (4). To be clear, this issue does not invalidate the findings with regards to Pr(race|shot, X) discussed in the report.”

Two more issues with this paper: 1) they only look at shootings whereas as several high-profile police-murders involved choking and/or other deadly but non-shooting fatalities (Eric Garner, George Floyd); and 2) this paper was likely not peer-reviewed; it was a direct submission edited by Kenneth Wachter (a demographer), who appeared not to send it out to review, since the prosecutor's fallacy was not corrected and they don't thank any anonymous reviewers in the acknowledgements as is standard practice. This is a problem with PNAS articles in general, the editor (an academy member) may or may not choose to send it out to review. I strongly suspect the latter.

So it's not peer reviewed just because you say so. How I did not expect that coming.

Your second paper appears to support what everyone on this thread has been saying: there is a systematic killing of non-whites by police. This paper also shows that--to quote you "minority suspects are disproportionately killed by police". As black people form a a large component of "minorities" in the USA, I guess you agree there is a systematic problem with police killing black people and perhaps even by extension that black lives matter?

We already know that “minority suspects are disproportionately killed by police”. According to the U.S Department of Justice, Black people are 7x more likely to murder somebody and they are over-represented across the board in violent crime and homicide.

While white cops are found to be no more likely to kill black people than black/hispanic cops. According to the US department of Justice. Black people are far more likely to kill white people.

Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 (US Department of Justice)

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

If you are part of a group that is over represented in committing crimes. You will part of a group that is over represented in victims of a police force.

 

[Debunkology]

and what do those stats tell you? Pakistani & Bangladeshi people tend to have far larger families. With that comes crowded houses and less money.

Pakistani families also take pride (along with many Muslims) of not sending their elderly into nursing homes. They think it’s morally wrong and that you as a human being should look after your own. Something that should be admired.

When the COVID-19 struck, those living in larger families, which included the vulnerable (young,elderly) were most effected.

 

[mezzrow]

Posted for educational purposes. You could learn a lot about American history if you listen. Why are we seeing what we are seeing?

 

[Walken]

Here you go;

UK-born black African employees were paid 7.7 per cent less than UK-born white British with similar occupation and education characteristics, according to the ONS calculation.

Ethnic minority pay gap in UK still stubbornly wide

Workers of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin are paid up to 20% less than white British employees

www.ft.com

Look mate, a right wing fella has given you their anecdotal evidence so thats an end to the matter

 

[mahermi1]

Here you go;

UK-born black African employees were paid 7.7 per cent less than UK-born white British with similar occupation and education characteristics, according to the ONS calculation.

Ethnic minority pay gap in UK still stubbornly wide

Workers of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin are paid up to 20% less than white British employees

www.ft.com

Totally wrong if true and probably is, but the same goes for women, who are half the population, on the whole paid less than men and always have been. Why not protest for this as well.

 

[mill]

Totally wrong if true and probably is, but the same goes for women, who are half the population, on the whole paid less than men and always have been. Why not protest for this as well.

Er there are plenty of protests and movements for feminism. And there have been plenty of women protesting over the last couple of weeks too.

 

[Brennan]

Totally wrong if true and probably is, but the same goes for women, who are half the population, on the whole paid less than men and always have been. Why not protest for this as well.

The gender pay gap as it is often presented is a myth.

When you compare men and women in equivalent roles with the same level of experience the gender pay gap is less than 0.5%.

The 9% figure touted by many is simply a comparison of the median earnings of men vs women. This does nothing to account for the roles that men and women are doing or choose to do.

Those differences in career choice are less likely to be found between races so it’s likely that any pay gap is far more troubling and is likely discriminatory at its core.

 

[Harryflashman]

Totally wrong if true and probably is, but the same goes for women, who are half the population, on the whole paid less than men and always have been. Why not protest for this as well.

so from posts I’ve seen today we need women and the victims of grooming gangs to all get together with anti racism protestors to organise bigger marches is that the suggestion ? Anyone else they need to cc in ?

 

[longers]

In Klamath Falls, Oregon, victory declared over antifa, which never showed up

Towns from Washington state to Indiana have seen armed groups begin patrolling the streets after rumors spread on social media about an antifa invasion.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[mahermi1]

so from posts I’ve seen today we need women and the victims of grooming gangs to all get together with anti racism protestors to organise bigger marches is that the suggestion ? Anyone else they need to cc in ?

Dont think I mentioned grooming gangs mate but whatever floats your boat.

 

[Harryflashman]

Dont think I mentioned grooming gangs mate but whatever floats your boat.

not you mate was mentioned specifically in another thread

There you go

Why don't people have marches and protests when young girls are abused in Bradford and Rochdale?

 

[mahermi1]

The gender pay gap as it is often presented is a myth.

When you compare men and women in equivalent roles with the same level of experience the gender pay gap is less than 0.5%.

The 9% figure touted by many is simply a comparison of the median earnings of men vs women. This does nothing to account for the roles that men and women are doing or choose to do.

Those differences in career choice are less likely to be found between races so it’s likely that any pay gap is far more troubling and is likely discriminatory at its core.

Measured response mate but the equal rights for pay between men and women seemed to fall down. My wife being one of the ones the system failed. Their case was put between them and Binmen, in Halton area, she was and still is a dinner lady. Both worked for the council, their case was threw out, the reason being there were no Male equivalent to dinner ladies. Yet most other areas/ councils paid it out.