Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[riddick]

Which is why there is a massive issue here.

I'd ask "why can't they understand the optics here" but the answer is obvious; they honestly don't care because they are immune.

 

[SteveSC]

Ah yes always assuming I live and die by two guys who bring a viewpoint of black conservatives. Classic verreauxi. Go watch your Don Lemon and Trevor Noah. Hear the good news and the only viewpoints you want to hear buddy

You kind of implied that.

"Absolutely love these two guys. Every time something happens in the world on a social point, I always go watch their stuff.

Whereas leftys in here have not mentioned the same with Lemon or noah. Because having a go to black person is a bit weird.

Noah by the way is a far better comedian than those two lads and his experiences growing up in South Africa as a mixed race child are always interesting.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Can someone please go post about some unheard of 15 and 16 year old lads in the transfer thread so we can go back to regular @Zatara levels of craziness?

@TheBigIguana I'm looking to you here

Unfortunately I'm unable to really do this as no football is being played for me to see players if you get what I'm saying.

 

[glorydaze]

A lot of people from Liverpool and working class cities had to fight prejudice to climb out of poverty, to get better education but our skin colour was one obstacle we did not have to overcome, that to me is a basic definition of white privileges.

 

[mill]

What people dont understand is that there is a difference between racism and institutional racism.

Until they realise the difference they'll never understand the opposite viewpoint.

Are their racists in the UK? Yes

Are ethnic minorities more likely to be racially abused than the white majority? Yes

Is the UK institutionally racist that stops minorities from progressing in life whilst giving white people a leg up? NO

Funny how people never point to Asian children in this country who often flourish despite being a minority themselves - the reason why is two Things - 1. Often they come from financially secure backgrounds and 2. Their parents put alot of value in education.

White and black working class kids are often deprived of both its just you only ever hear how black working class are discriminated and have it tough - race has nothing to do with it and I say that as someone who came from a working class background in the North - I could relate a lot more to some working class black kid from a London estates upbringing than I could a upper middle class white lad from some leafy suburb.

Race report statistics | Equality and Human Rights Commission

Race report: Healing a divided nation. Equality and Human Rights Commission report on the need for a comprehensive race equality strategy.

www.equalityhumanrights.com

Unemployment rates were significantly higher for ethnic minorities at 12.9 per cent compared with 6.3 per cent for White people

Black workers with degrees earn 23.1 per cent less on average than White workers
in Britain, significantly lower percentages of ethnic minorities (8.8 per cent) worked as managers, directors and senior officials, compared with White people (10.7 per cent) and this was particularly true for African or Caribbean or Black people (5.7 per cent) and those of mixed ethnicity (7.2 per cent)

Black people who leave school with A-levels typically get paid 14.3 per cent less than their White peers

Pakistani or Bangladeshi and Black adults are more likely to live in substandard accommodation than White people

30.9 per cent of Pakistani or Bangladeshi people live in overcrowded accommodation, while for Black people the figure is 26.8 per cent and for White people it is 8.3 per cent

if you are an ethnic minority person, you are still more likely to live in poverty.

evidence shows that 35.7 per cent of ethnic minorities were more likely to live in poverty compared with 17.2 per cent of White people


Just a few stats.

 

[Tubey]

This is comparing apples and oranges. The effect of white privilege in the UK is that if you take a black person and a white person with otherwise identical backgrounds and situations, the black person will find it harder than the white person. White privilege does not mean that every single white person has an easier or better life than every single black person.

Of course that is true. BUT nowhere to the degree it is in the UK.

 

[longers]

Check the comments, right wing america is so grim

 

[Tubey]

A lot of people from Liverpool and working class cities had to fight prejudice to climb out of poverty, to get better education but our skin colour was one obstacle we did not have to overcome, that to me is a basic definition of white privileges.

Yes, but the problem with the term is that you could say "black privilege" to describe the leg up a black lad down south would have to a white lad up north. And of course it wouldn't make sense, just as white privilege doesn't make sense in the context of the UK.

Here we have people having to hide their accents to avoid discrimination - class is a much, much bigger issue than race here.

 

[riddick]

I genuinely wonder what the difference is between this and every.single.other. instance of police being weapons is? You see thousands in cities across the world protesting this. I feel a bit lost as to why this is a catalyst and not Eric Garner or Abner Louima or the countless others.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

You’re not born a racist. It’s learned behaviour, to glibly say there’ll always be racists, so we should just try and pretend it’s not still a societal issue is bollocks. Education is the key, as we need to stop the cycle repeating.

Noted that you ignored the salient part of my post btw.

Didnt ignore it mate, I just dont believe the country is institutionally racist - maybe 20-30+ years ago but I think there have been massive improvements in society RE alot of things not just race but acceptance of homosexuality etc. Yes they'll always be a minority of scum who will have a problem with people for being different but I dont think there is a magical cure for that certainly not idiots attacking police over here and causing trouble because of a racist murder in another country.

This country has always had a class problem and thats the true cause of the issues of inequality - alot of Asian kids succeed in the UK because they have come from a secure financial background and had parents who value education alot and hammer them with it - if the country was institutionally racist as some make out then surely this would stop people from the Asian community from going to uni / getting high paid employment? but that isnt the case.

Sadly the reason why alot of white and black working class struggle is down to class / social & economic factors - yes you can argue the reason why alot of Black kids are born working class but thats looking at how the country treated their parents / grandparents and not present day society.

 

[navidson]

This is going to sound like a Devil's Advocate question but I promise it isn't - I genuinely want to know

What are people hoping to achieve from these protests? For the policemen involved to be charged more severely? For some sort of law change with the American judicial system? I know it's about spreading awareness of racial issues but what is the actual aim?

The riots and general fallout in Los Angeles in 1992 was due to the police officers involved in the Rodney King beating being found not guilty. The police officers in this instance have been charged and not sentenced as yet

 

[Ruairi77]

This is going to sound like a Devil's Advocate question but I promise it isn't - I genuinely want to know

What are people hoping to achieve from these protests? For the policemen involved to be handed harsher sentences? For some sort of law change with the American judicial system? I know it's about spreading awareness of racial issues but what is the actual aim?

The riots and general fallout in Los Angeles in 1992 was due to the police officers involved in the Rodney King beating being found not guilty. The police officers in this instance have been found guilty.

No they haven’t.

 

[navidson]

No they haven’t.

Apologies - They've been charged not sentenced

 

[tsubaki]

I genuinely wonder what the difference is between this and every.single.other. instance of police being weapons is? You see thousands in cities across the world protesting this. I feel a bit lost as to why this is a catalyst and not Eric Garner or Abner Louima or the countless others.

I suppose its a combination of the obvious wrongness of something that was clearly filmed, and the possible political benefits some people think they'll get out of it (in the same way that Weinstein only became an issue once people realised they'd have to get him away so they could call Trump a sex pest).

It is bizarre though, there were associated demos in Rio last weekend where cops had killed 177 people in April.

 

[tsubaki]

Apologies - They've been charged not sentenced

After a lot of protests