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[Foot Long Hot Dog]

No offence mate but your opinion isnt any more valid than mine.

When you get in everyones face screaming they are racists because they dont agree with you im afraid you'll never get people on your side because in honestly you just come across as a bit of a tit.

When the mayor of London is Asian and key people like my woman Patel is in Government have much more opportunities and wealth than hundreds of thousands of white racist deniers on Universal Credit up and down the country your "racism is everywhere in this institutionalised country" kinda falls on its arse.

Go to the US or Russia or Italy or most other places and you'll see life isnt as bad as some make it out in the UK.

The majority of the British public disagree with you, as do the demonstrable facts. But hey ho.

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To what extent, if at all, do you think the UK is a racist society?

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[Huyton Layne]

 

[tsubaki]

The stats dont back that up. And you are also ignoring what people of colour are saying.

You are completely in denial and are part of the problem we have with race in this country.

We do have a class problem, as well.

They aren't two problems, though - its the same problem, with the same cause and broadly the same solution.

 

[tsubaki]

the BLM demo has now been going past my flat for the past 40 minutes

 

[mill]

They aren't two problems, though - its the same problem, with the same cause and broadly the same solution.

It’s not the same problem though. They are two different issues that are correlated and linked in lots of ways. But it’s important to see them as two separate issues. Intersectionality is important.

@ForeverBlue92 makes a good point that class is a major problem in this country. But racism is an issue in this country. Not to the same scale as america, you could argue.

But it definitely is an issue. You can’t point to one london Mayor and one cabinet member and say ‘look it’s sound’. That’s not evidence thst there is no institutional racism.

Look at things like the BAME pay gap. Look at representation of people of colour across the boards of FTSE 100 companies. Look at representation in the HOL etc.

 

[verreauxi]

the BLM demo has now been going past my flat for the past 40 minutes

You mean all those antifa?

 

[LinekersLegs]

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[Hickson9]

No offence mate but your opinion isnt any more valid than mine.

When you get in everyones face screaming they are racists because they dont agree with you im afraid you'll never get people on your side because in honestly you just come across as a bit of a tit.

When the mayor of London is Asian and key people like my woman Patel is in Government have much more opportunities and wealth than hundreds of thousands of white racist deniers on Universal Credit up and down the country your "racism is everywhere in this institutionalised country" kinda falls on its arse.

Go to the US or Russia or Italy or most other places and you'll see life isnt as bad as some make it out in the UK.

My opinion is based on the stats and listening to people of colour.

What is your opinion based on?

And I completely agree with you that class is also a huge issue. It doesn't wipe out the race issue though. They are both very concerning.

P.s. I didn't say you were racist. I said you were in denial. Interesting how quick you were to jump to that though.

P.P.S. And I've been to all of those countries and I think it is probably better here yes, but that isn't good enough.

 

[tsubaki]

It’s not the same problem though. They are two different issues that are correlated and linked in lots of ways. But it’s important to see them as two separate issues. Intersectionality is important.

@ForeverBlue92 makes a good point that class is a major problem in this country. But racism is an issue in this country. Not to the same scale as america, you could argue.

But it definitely is an issue. You can’t point to one london Mayor and one cabinet member and say ‘look it’s sound’. That’s not evidence thst there is no institutional racism.

Look at things like the BAME pay gap. Look at representation of people of colour across the boards of FTSE 100 companies. Look at representation in the HOL etc.

Of course its the same problem - you can make exactly the same point about pay gaps and lack of representation on FTSE 100 boards about scousers, or people from Wales, or even non-private school educated people generally. The majority of the disproportionality experienced by people of colour in terms of statistics is because the majority are working class and there are not significant numbers of middle and upper class as a whole who can bring the statistics up (indeed when you break the BAME group up into its constituent parts some of the groups actually earn more than the average White British person, some far less).

By trying to pretend its a separate issue you run into exactly the same cul-de-sac that @ForeverBlue92 does when pointing to Patel and Khan, that by fixing the lack of representation you can solve the problem.

 

[Hickson9]

They aren't two problems, though - its the same problem, with the same cause and broadly the same solution.

Unfortunately mate, that is far too simplistic.

These kinds of issues take understanding of nuance and complexity to solve.

 

[Efcjake]

Can someone please go post about some unheard of 15 and 16 year old lads in the transfer thread so we can go back to regular @Zatara levels of craziness?

@TheBigIguana I'm looking to you here

 

[Hickson9]

I really don't see why we can't all agree that we need to improve social mobility and racial inequality.

What are people so afraid of, to not want that?!

 

[riddick]

I just really hope this continues for awhile as moving on to the next thing is what keeps this occurring regularly.

 

[jaspercabbage]

the BLM demo has now been going past my flat for the past 40 minutes

Thats a LOT of terrorists.

 

[mill]

Of course its the same problem - you can make exactly the same point about pay gaps and lack of representation on FTSE 100 boards about scousers, or people from Wales, or even non-private school educated people generally. The majority of the disproportionality experienced by people of colour in terms of statistics is because the majority are working class and there are not significant numbers of middle and upper class as a whole who can bring the statistics up (indeed when you break the BAME group up into its constituent parts some of the groups actually earn more than the average White British person, some far less).

By trying to pretend its a separate issue you run into exactly the same cul-de-sac that @ForeverBlue92 does when pointing to Patel and Khan, that by fixing the lack of representation you can solve the problem.

I’ve used this before but it’s important.

A working class, lesbian, woman of colour, with a disability would not have the same experience as a working class, white, heterosexual, able bodied male.

Fixing the class system would not fix institutional racism. It’s not just pay gaps. It’s not just representation in business and politics.

Its representation in the arts. In literature. In sciences. On TV and in film.

It’s in the curriculum.

Fixing class would help a lot. Class has a big impact on representation in the arts for instance. But it’s not going to fix everything.

Intersectionality is important when it comes to identifying privileges.