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[SteveSC]

I didn't say you called him a Nazi. I'm saying that we should be willing to distinguish a known Nazi from a suspected racist.

As to "racism," no, not necessarily. I'm going to assume you're white (don't read anything into it, it's just for example). Let's pretend I'm something other than white. If I call you a [anti-white slur] because I hate you for your politics and I want to hurt your feelings, that makes me a jerk, not necessarily a racist.

Now, is it a sign I could be a racist? Sure. Should you give people the benefit of the doubt that they're not racist in that scenario? I don't care, if you act like a jerk I don't care if someone calls you a racist. But my point is that it's probably not all that great of an indicator that someone is a genuine racist.

Now, if you're a liberal, you might reject my narrow definition of racism outright. You might think it doesn't account for institutionalized racism and that saying "America was great even despite slavery" makes one a racist regardless of the concept of racial superiority. I would disagree, but that's a different discussion than the above (which is premised on the traditional definition of racism).

So you think if you use a racial slur or a word that is seen as a racial slur. It does not make you racist if used in the right context? What?

People should stop and quiz whether you are in fact racist or maybe just stupid for using the word?

Is that what you are saying?

Haha!!

 

[ilikecheese]

Conor Lamb. Just watched a piece on him the other day. Looks like an upstanding citizen. Seems like a smart guy too.

Should be interesting to see how they try disparage him now he is running as a democrat.

"His name is Conor Lamb, but in Washington he'd be one of Pelosi's sheep."

 

[Pettifogger]

So you think if you use a racial slur or a word that is seen as a racial slur. It does not make you racist if used in the right context? What?

People should stop and quiz whether you are in fact racist or maybe just stupid for using the word?

Is that what you are saying?

Haha!!

It's tiring to attempt a serious discussion with you. I'll try it this way.

If you:
A) Think racism depends on the inherent inferiority/superiority of a race; AND
B) Someone says a racial slur; AND
C) That person does not believe in the inherent superiority/inferiority of a race; THEN

Is that person a racist?

 

[Pettifogger]

"His name is Conor Lamb, but in Washington he'd be one of Pelosi's sheep."

*writes that down*

 

[SteveSC]

"His name is Conor Lamb, but in Washington he'd be one of Pelosi's sheep."

They couldn't find any dirt on him huh? So they are playing on his last name. How fecking juvenile is this.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Conor Lamb. Just watched a piece on him the other day. Looks like an upstanding citizen. Seems like a smart guy too.

Should be interesting to see how they try disparage him now he is running as a democrat.

Federal prosecutor too

This will get interesting

 

[SteveSC]

It's tiring to attempt a serious discussion with you. I'll try it this way.

If you:
A) Think racism depends on the inherent inferiority/superiority of a race; AND
B) Someone says a racial slur; AND
C) That person does not believe in the inherent superiority/inferiority of a race; THEN

Is that person a racist?

Oh please, serious discussion. You don't want discussions you want us to take your word for it and be done. You have been nothing but disparaging or disrespectful to anyone that challenges you.

The very fact you say its tiring yet again because someone doesn't see it your way. How many people is that now? I'd say about 4 of us you have called names or tried to brush off with because we don't see your point of view.

Not going to debate you about racism anymore. You have your own weird angle on it and the rest of us are wrong about it i guess. Honestly, I don't know why you are being so defensive about the meaning of racism. No matter how you spin it, it just sounds like you are trying to defend racism.

 

[SteveSC]

Federal prosecutor too

This will get interesting

Seems like a solid candidate. Pity a lot of the people on the right won't see it that way and immediately ignore his credentials

 

[Pettifogger]

Oh please, serious discussion. You don't want discussions you want us to take your word for it and be done. You have been nothing but disparaging or disrespectful to anyone that challenges you.

The very fact you say its tiring yet again because someone doesn't see it your way. How many people is that now? I'd say about 4 of us you have called names or tried to brush off with because we don't see your point of view.

Not going to debate you about racism anymore. You have your own weird angle on it and the rest of us are wrong about it i guess. Honestly, I don't know why you are being so defensive about the meaning of racism. No matter how you spin it, it just sounds like you are trying to defend racism.

You live in a strange universe my friend. Someone thinks I'm unAmerican. Someone else thinks I'm crass.

I explain my position to you, which you ridicule (I'm not offended, you can do what you want) - and I'm disparaging? I invited your input.

Someone else mentioned to me in the other thread that this is sort of a style with you. You mock other people, and when someone brings up what you're doing, you take your ball and go home and accuse them of being a bad person. I noticed you're labeling me racist now as well. It's a nice touch.

 

[Ruairi77]

Someone else thinks I'm crass.

Let me try some Republican debating here-
I never said you were crass.

 

[SteveSC]

You live in a strange universe my friend. Someone thinks I'm unAmerican. Someone else thinks I'm crass.

I explain my position to you, which you ridicule (I'm not offended, you can do what you want) - and I'm disparaging? I invited your input.

Someone else mentioned to me in the other thread that this is sort of a style with you. You mock other people, and when someone brings up what you're doing, you take your ball and go home and accuse them of being a bad person. I noticed you're labeling me racist now as well. It's a nice touch.

Didn't call you a racist. Said you are going to great lengths to defend it. Not calling you a racist. I'm beginning to think you don't know what racism is.

Nor have i mocked you or ridiculed you.

Don't think you are a bad person never said that either.

As for the person who said that in the other forum, well, that's a guy who mocked my family who live in his country who i reported at the time. A guy who seemingly only posts in the Trump thread and no where else but sure take his word for it i don't really care.

Look i don't want to continue "debate" because you are not interested in one. You simply try push your opinion and twist and turn on any rebuttal.

 

[Pettifogger]

Let me try some Republican debating here-
I never said you were crass.

Fair

 

[Pettifogger]

Didn't call you a racist. Said you are going to great lengths to defend it. Not calling you a racist.

Nor have i mocked you or ridiculed you.

Don't think you are a bad person never said that either.

As for the person who said that in the other forum, well, that's a guy who mocked my family who live in his country who i reported at the time. A guy who seemingly only posts in the Trump thread and no where else but sure take his word for it i don't really care.

Look i don't want to continue "debate" because you are not interested in one. You simply try push your opinion and twist and turn on any rebuttal.

I really, really don't though. And I'm not defending racism. Racism is abhorrent.

But look, I'm on the right. Conservatives, fairly or unfairly, get accused of racism a lot. We're hostile to social programs which are viewed as particularly beneficial to minorities, we're sometimes hostile to immigration policies which would be advantageous to people of color, etc. My opinions on these things have nothing to do with the immutable characteristics of the people in question, and everything to do with my beliefs on the role of government.

So sure, I'm particularly sensitive to where the lines are on racism vs. things that are merely racial in nature. I think genuine racism is particularly vile, more so than someone who uses racially incendiary language or may use racial prejudices to advance themselves politically. You may say there isn't a difference, but I believe there is. My position is that you can say so and so may not be a racist, but he's morally unfit because he preys on racial tension or demonizes people. It's not like I'm claiming that anyone who isn't a bonafide racist is a good person. You can be evil with or without racism.

And I think it's important to distinguish an ahole from a racist. You may not think that's important, and you're entitled to that view.

 

[LiamG]

I wonder what other cultures around the world have these constant moral debates over racism etc

Not many I suspect.

While debating this we should always remember that.

The truth is its normally used to make white people feel guilty about something that happened centuries ago that all cultures and races did. The reason why it works is most other cultures would just tell you to get lost.

 

[ilikecheese]

I wonder what other cultures around the world have these constant moral debates over racism etc

Not many I suspect.

While debating this we should always remember that.

The truth is its normally used to make white people feel guilty about something that happened centuries ago that all cultures and races did. The reason why it works is most other cultures would just tell you to get lost.

In a nation that believes that all men are created equal, we still have large segments of the population that can't or choose not to accept this fundamental truth.

I also suspect that minorities in many nations are piped down by the majority.