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Not a bad little return so far then, all things considered.

I mean lets take Bill alone, hes got some nice and free publicity for his "productions", wined and dined every Saturday for the last 14 years and free tickets to watch the best football team in the world, plus he gets a nice little 30m or so golden handshake when he "leaves".

Doesnt take a wage tho.

How does he get £30 m handshake? He owns 8754 shares currently worth £11.5 million or thereabouts.

Ignoring any financing arrangements he has personally, in order to receive £30m the equity will have to be sold for £100 million, or £2875 a share. There's no evidence anyone is willing to buy the club at these levels - if there was we would have been sold by now.
 
Who knows really, I know kenwrong was lent the dosh, he had 2 options, pay it back over the last 14 years, if possible, OOC anyone? Anyway, or hes just a proxy and Earl/Green or Wonga is looking at a nice little return on their investment.
 
If it's true that there are no players available in the entire world that don't suit Martinez's plans and aren't available for a good price i'd have to question our scouting network, as that's utter nonsense in my eyes.

Evra, Arteta, Vidic, Cantona, Suarez, Coutinho, Gibson, Jelavic etc.

Nobody knows, its that simple. But I'm not saying that there aren't players available what I'm trying to get at is people who post things like 'can't believe we're not going for Holtby etc et , its ridiculous, we obviously have no money'.
 
How does he get £30 m handshake? He owns 8754 shares currently worth £11.5 million or thereabouts.

Ignoring any finacing arrangements he has personally, in order to receive £30m the equity will have to be sold for £100 million, or £2875 a share. There's no evidence anyone is willing to buy the club at these levels - if there was we would have been sold by now.

Its going off the figures of 125m that Collymore was told and the 150m that Keith Harris said we were asking.

125m / 25% = 31m - 8m = 23m
150m / 25% = 37.5m - 8m = 29.5m

So yes, its no wonder we havent been sold.
 
Its going off the figures of 125m that Collymore was told and the 150m that Keith Harris said we were asking.

125m / 25% = 31m - 8m = 23m
150m / 25% = 37.5m - 8m = 29.5m

So yes, its no wonder we havent been sold.

Brilliant.

There not selling computers on ebay, theres a bit more to the equation than saying 'here you go bill, your 25% is....'
 
I actually thought the results were pretty good to be honest.

Big shout out to do a dumbed down glossy version this year also, for those who have diffculty sleeping with other operating costs under their bed!

Hopefully, an increase in overall revenue, and commercially raise our profile a bit, still dont think anything will happen without a new stadium or a revamped battle ship.
 
I think it's fluctuated between about 1500 to 1800 mate. I might be talking out of my arse on that one like! But BK et al bought there's for 800 a pop. Nice!

TBH mate, that return over 14 years is shabby, If it was 1600 now and 800 when he bought that comes to about 5% a year. Not much above inflation I'd guess.
 
Maybe the people who accuse others of wearing a tin foil hat can tell us where the cash coming in is going to if not on debt repayment or increase in wages?

Why is it so hard to fathom Dave? Every year for as long as I can remember we typically break even on operations. Sometimes we make a very small profit, other times we make a slightly larger loss. By and large though our typical operating income does little to provide any kind of transfer kitty.

You then subtract from that the £4-5 million we pay on our loan each year. That's a given. So right from the off, we're likely to be at least a few million in the red each year before playing trading is taken into account.

We've sold much more than we've bought this year in permanent transfer fees, that much appears clear. Subtract the 4-5 million from above from that figure.

We've also loaned in a lot of players, with each of those likely costing us a bit of money in loan fees that will need subtracting from the above. Does anyone have even the slightest idea how much we're paying for those loan players this year?

Do all of that and you'll have an approximation of how much money we have to spend. Forget increases in TV money, that will go entirely on players wages, just as it always does.
 
Why is it so hard to fathom Dave? Every year for as long as I can remember we typically break even on operations. Sometimes we make a very small profit, other times we make a slightly larger loss. By and large though our typical operating income does little to provide any kind of transfer kitty.

You then subtract from that the £4-5 million we pay on our loan each year. That's a given. So right from the off, we're likely to be at least a few million in the red each year before playing trading is taken into account.

We've sold much more than we've bought this year in permanent transfer fees, that much appears clear. Subtract the 4-5 million from above from that figure.

We've also loaned in a lot of players, with each of those likely costing us a bit of money in loan fees that will need subtracting from the above. Does anyone have even the slightest idea how much we're paying for those loan players this year?

Do all of that and you'll have an approximation of how much money we have to spend. Forget increases in TV money, that will go entirely on players wages, just as it always does.

Surely the debt repayments are considered to be part of the overall expenditure figure that is used to calculate our profit or loss? It seems a bit ridiculous to calculate a profit or loss, and then take into account debt repayments. If this really is the case, then we haven't made a profit at all, but yet the accounts are saying that we have?

The idea that extra revenue is entirely spent on extra wages isn't true. The last massive increase saw us pay for Andy Johnson, Joleon Lescott, Kevin Kilbane and the signing of Howard a few months later. The new rules would prevent us from spending it entirely on wages anyway.
 
Why is it so hard to fathom Dave? Every year for as long as I can remember we typically break even on operations. Sometimes we make a very small profit, other times we make a slightly larger loss. By and large though our typical operating income does little to provide any kind of transfer kitty.

You then subtract from that the £4-5 million we pay on our loan each year. That's a given. So right from the off, we're likely to be at least a few million in the red each year before playing trading is taken into account.

We've sold much more than we've bought this year in permanent transfer fees, that much appears clear. Subtract the 4-5 million from above from that figure.

We've also loaned in a lot of players, with each of those likely costing us a bit of money in loan fees that will need subtracting from the above. Does anyone have even the slightest idea how much we're paying for those loan players this year?

Do all of that and you'll have an approximation of how much money we have to spend. Forget increases in TV money, that will go entirely on players wages, just as it always does.

You've subtracted debt repayments twice above: once before player trading is taken into consideration, once after.

However, you have identified the salient point: we have been massively reliant on player trading to make up the shortfall of a club incapable of running a successful commercial operation and whose owners show no inclination to attract inward investment (either from large individual or institutional shareholders or through a share issue to get fans onboard). I see no reason whatsoever to cut them any slack over their 14 year inability to trade better than that.

As for extra tv money going straight to wages...you are wrong, completely wrong. I think you need to familiarise yourself with the changing environment, Bruce. We have seen a decline in wages last year at Everton; and the new guidelines clubs now operate on from UEFA and PL generated mean that wages will never again be allowed to become the whole cake in terms of revenue taken in.

The CEO has said openly the extra 25M tv revenue is there to do with what they please: buying of players, debt reduction, infrastructure...there's a mix they can choose at their own discretion each and every year now. You'll be told that money is there today and tomorrow (when it isn't spent...obviously).

There really is no excuse now, and the club wont pretend there is. They'll just work the friendly BK media to make sure everyone knows (by implication, of course!) that it's Martinez choosing not to spend now but be frugal and wait until the summer.....Ahhh, the summer...there's always the summer....there's always jam tomorrow.

Funny that.
 
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