Current Affairs EU In or Out

[joey_macmo]

Oh me too Joey. Cant stand the system.

Just think we have shot our bolt.

I still don't understand how people who "hate the establishment" are shifting right

 

[Joey66]

What!??

How did I miss this??

Thanks Joey for bringing this to my attention, I'm gonna read up on this, it should have been broadcast more widely.

Sarcasm close thread!

 

[ToffeeDoug]

69% of Labour voters voted to remain, contrary to popular belief.

Source please?

Is that people who actually voted Labour at the last election in 2015 (9.35m) or does it include those who have voted Labour in the past, and could or should have been voting Labour in 2015 but didn't for whatever reason, including apathy and disillusionment or having switched to UKIP (closer to 15m)?

 

[JonS]

It is becoming increasingly apparent that this referendum result, won on lies and racism and driven by personal political ambition, is NOT in the country's best interests and must not be ratified by Parliament.

I cant agree with that, Clint. There were equal lies on both sides IMO. And we would see how non racist and tolerant to immigration remain voters are if we had a world single market with tariff free trade and freedom of movement worldwide rather than just the mostly white, "people like us" EU citizens.

It is a dangerous thing to value some democratic decisions above others which is what you seem to be suggesting...

 

[Joey66]

The Brexit "dividend" continues:

Hammond warns on Brexit uncertainties

Philip Hammond has admitted that the government is facing a “sharp challenge” in the face of Brexit and cautioned against any unexpectedly generous windfalls for families who are “just about managing”.

In a round of interviews ahead of his autumn statement on Wednesday, the chancellor said he needed “headroom” in the public finances to deal with the economic impact of leaving the EU – with forecasts predicting slower growth – and “eye-wateringly” large debt.

Campaigners have called on Hammond to reverse George Osborne’s cuts to universal credit, which critics say will leave struggling working families up to £1,300 a year worse off by 2020.

Asked if he would do so, Hammond told BBC1’s The Andrew Marr Show: “I’m not going to go into details of the autumn statement that I shall make on Wednesday, but you’ve seen the forecasts, the range of independent forecasts. We’ll get the OBR’s forecast on Wednesday.

“Many of those forecasts are pointing to a slowing of economic growth next year and a sharp challenge for the public finances.

“There are a range of reasons for that, and we’ve got to make sure that what we do is responsible, that everything we do is compatible with building resilience in our economy as we go into a period where there will be some uncertainty around the negotiation over our exit from the EU and focus on making sure that our economy is match-fit for the opportunities and the challenges that will lie ahead.”

He was keen to emphasise the challenges of rising inflation and fluctuating markets because of Brexit uncertainty. He is also reportedly facing a £100bn black hole in the public finances.

“We have to maintain our credibility. We have eye-wateringly large debt, we still have a significant deficit in this country and we have to prepare the economy for the period that lies ahead,” the chancellor told Marr.

“I want to make sure that the economy is watertight, that we have enough headroom to deal with any unexpected challenges over the next couple of years and most importantly, that we’re ready to seize the opportunities of leaving the European Union.”

In a hint that he would offer some help to the so-called Jams – “just about managing” – on Wednesday, Hammond said he would support people “who work hard and by and large do not feel that they are sharing in the prosperity that economic growth is bringing to the country”.

He gave away few clues, however, as to what form this help would take.

At least it's not more Osborne cut cut cuts?

 

[The Esk]

Source please?

Is that people who actually voted Labour at the last election in 2015 (9.35m) or does it include those who have voted Labour in the past, and could or should have been voting Labour in 2015 but didn't for whatever reason, including apathy and disillusionment or having switched to UKIP (closer to 15m)?

I'll dig out the precise source - from memory it was You Gov, will find it later

 

[bring the ghost on]

Sarcasm close thread!

Well, if you insist on stating the bleeding obvious ("We voted leave OK!") on every page of the thread, don't expect serious responses.

 

[Joey66]

Oh me too Joey. Cant stand the system.

Just think we have shot our bolt.

How we have not rushed in from day one they were shouting hatred towards us - just wait till Italy the french elections the German elections IMO,May has it spot on catchy catchy monkey they spout now let the EU devide, and we will be in boss seat IMO!

 

[Joey66]

Well, if you insist on stating the bleeding obvious ("We voted leave OK!") on every page of the thread, don't expect serious responses.

You wanted the thread closed make your mind up ?

 

[Joey66]

I'll dig out the precise source - from memory it was You Gov, will find it later

Ask Bruce he will google it in secondslol

 

[Old Blue 2]

It is becoming increasingly apparent that this referendum result, won on lies and racism and driven by personal political ambition, is NOT in the country's best interests and must not be ratified by Parliament.

Once again, I OBJECT TO THE IMPLIED SLUR OF RACISM BECAUSE I VOTED OUT...

 

[Old Blue 2]

I would bet a few bob that not one person voted to activate A50.

They voted to leave, but that aint quite the same thing, is it.

A50 is the mechanism by which the UK leaves the EU. On voting day, I recall I did know my arse from my elbow, so I am quite clear when I say 'Activating A50' was definitely NOT on the ballot paper.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Once again, I OBJECT TO THE IMPLIED SLUR OF RACISM BECAUSE I VOTED OUT...

If you suddenly think he's on about you then that probably implies more than he is doing.

 

[JonS]

Nobody really knows whether we will be better off financially by being out of the EU in the Long term once the messy divorce is out of the way. I believe we will be better off by being more nimble and able to make our own decisions, BUT I COULD BE WRONG!

NOBODY REALLY KNOWS AND ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY DO IS INCORRECT (IMO)!

 

[Joey66]

Once again, I OBJECT TO THE IMPLIED SLUR OF RACISM BECAUSE I VOTED OUT...

same hear I have had swztickers posted on this thread - National soliast banners posted at me the mods just ignore those, but if you debate a Polictical thread expect the insults all in the best possible taste that is of course I have even been called a racist yet hey ho Lord Kerr can say we are thicker stupid than immigrants that's ok ??????