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May's words in November though, how were the public supposed to anticipate them in June?
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May's words in November though, how were the public supposed to anticipate them in June?
roydo
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You wont get that from me.
The Esk
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Joey the moderating team have not ignored the above.
Old Blue 2
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Tiresome, Bruce, tiresome!!!
Why don't you be serious for a change!
That's wasn't on the ballot paper. There was NO WAY that was ever going to be on the ballot paper, and well you know it!
The ballot was 'In' or 'Out'. Simple. Beyond that, it is then for the politicians and civil servants to deal with the whole business. You know that, but are just being your obfuscatious self again.
Give it a rest, Bruce. Please...
SNova
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This is the only voting data I've seen.
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
This guy wanted us to stay in the EU for the reasons he states (that getting out is so difficult). I like his analysis : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...k-out-any-time-you-like-but-you-a7334781.html
Yanis Varoufakis says Brexit is like Hotel California: 'You can check out any time you like but you can't really leave'
Britain might struggle to leave the EU bloc, due to the complexity of the negotiations and the inflexibility of EU institutions, Yanis Varoufakis, Greece’s former finance minister, has warned.
Varoufakis, known as a fierce Eurozone critic, compared the UK relations with the EU bloc with a well-known song by the Eagles.
“You can check out any time you like, as the Hotel California song says, but you can't really leave,” he said in an interview with the BBC.
“The proof is Theresa May has not even dared to trigger Article 50. It's like Harrison Ford going into Indiana Jones' castle and the path behind him fragmenting. You can get in, but getting out is not at all clear.”
“Facilitating and deepening a crisis in Europe is going to bite you,” he added.
The academic - who was thrust into the spotlight when he became Greece's finance minister for brief period in 2015 - also suggested the UK government should invoke Article 50 as soon as possible and use the negotiating period to prepare itself as nation.
Yanis Varoufakis says Brexit is like Hotel California: 'You can check out any time you like but you can't really leave'
Britain might struggle to leave the EU bloc, due to the complexity of the negotiations and the inflexibility of EU institutions, Yanis Varoufakis, Greece’s former finance minister, has warned.
Varoufakis, known as a fierce Eurozone critic, compared the UK relations with the EU bloc with a well-known song by the Eagles.
“You can check out any time you like, as the Hotel California song says, but you can't really leave,” he said in an interview with the BBC.
“The proof is Theresa May has not even dared to trigger Article 50. It's like Harrison Ford going into Indiana Jones' castle and the path behind him fragmenting. You can get in, but getting out is not at all clear.”
“Facilitating and deepening a crisis in Europe is going to bite you,” he added.
The academic - who was thrust into the spotlight when he became Greece's finance minister for brief period in 2015 - also suggested the UK government should invoke Article 50 as soon as possible and use the negotiating period to prepare itself as nation.
The Esk
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But with the referendum asking in or out and not specifying who, how or what do you not think the public and parliament itself is within its rights to ask questions, debate, and draw judgements on what evolves, and ultimately if the final offer is not beneficial the right not to accept it?
Clint Planet
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I'm just not having that. The £360M a week to the NHS was a game-changing whopper. I'm absolutely convinced that it fooled lots of waiverers into voting Brexit. The irony is, not only was it a barefaced lie but the perpetrators have vested interests in the creeping privatisation of the NHS.
Don't underestimate how angry the 48% are about what happened and the way we were all stitched up by a bunch of opportunists.
tsubaki
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Of course it is, but it should be obvious that the very last thing that will happen is that the public will get a free choice on the deal that results.
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
You can object all you like, it doesn't change the fact that UKIP's campaign was racist. That's not to say that everyone who voted Brexit did so for racist reasons but it will have struck a chord with some, I'm sure.
I actually think Clint that if the remain camp didn't forecast armageddon if we voted to come out things may be different now. I voted remain by the way, and voted that way by using my own judgement and not from any scaremongering by the vote leave/remain camps.
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I don't think Parliament should have ANY say on us invoking Article 50 (the public have voted to leave the EU so Article 50 must be invoked) but I would agree or accept Parliament debating or deciding on the final offer as long as this would not stop us leaving.
Old Blue 2
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It's the 'borad brush' application, gloves. Applying it to all who voted leave. That kind of rhetoric and slur has cropped up on a regular basis in this thread for many hundreds of pages...
Old Blue 2
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Fair enough, roydo.
tsubaki
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Brexit didn't win because of the £360 million fib, or Farage's racism, or because the public liked Boris or Gove more than Dave.
Brexit won because there are obvious and very serious problems with how the EU is set up, what it is doing now and what it is likely to do in the future; that is why the Remain campaign was a mix of threats of what they would do to us if we left and "Well, we aren't part of that bit of it (insert Schengen / the Eurozone / agreed immigration policy here) anyway".
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