Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

The debate was about a newspaper article where the EU were just going to make an example of us for daring to vote out!
They are scared if they make too many concessions in negotiations the many countries will want the same so scrutinising our negotiations at present is stupid if this us their attitude - we can let Parliment argue for months on what we want I feel the answers from them may be negative, sign article 50 and let's get on with it that's what the electorate voted for!

I would bet a few bob that not one person voted to activate A50.

They voted to leave, but that aint quite the same thing, is it.

 

[The Esk]

69% of Labour voters voted to remain, contrary to popular belief.

 

[Tubey]

This sums up how clueless the people in charge of this are.

Johnson told him during a recent meeting that Italy would grant Britain access to the EU’s single market “because you don’t want to lose prosecco exports.”

“He basically said, ‘I don’t want free movement of people but I want the single market,’” said Calenda. “I said, ‘no way.’ He said, ‘you’ll sell less prosecco.’ I said, ‘OK, you’ll sell less fish and chips, but I’ll sell less prosecco to one country and you’ll sell less to 27 countries.’ Putting things on this level is a bit insulting.”

There's an arrogance which is mind blowing. We're treating the largest trading bloc in the world like they're children, and they're just looking at us bemused and urging us to get on with committing suicide if we're stupid enough to do it for no apparent reason.

 

[Joey66]

I would bet a few bob that not one person voted to activate A50.

They voted to leave, but that aint quite the same thing, is it.

To leave you have to sign article 50 then two years to negotiate that's when the scrutiny should come in via Parliment before the referendum DC was given very little so the OUT vot won end of!

 

[roydo]

69% of Labour voters voted to remain, contrary to popular belief.

Wonder how that translates to constituancies though? Like, broadly, London voted remain, and again, broadly, "The North" and South Wales seemed to plump for Leave.

 

[Tubey]

They researched all this before the referendum remember.

Oh it was constant. They wouldn't listen. It was proper finger in ears stuff.

Check this as just one example.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/eu-in-or-out.89343/page-258#post-4622865

 

[roydo]

To leave you have to sign article 50 then two years to negotiate that's when the scrutiny should come in via Parliment before the referendum DC was given very little so the OUT vot won end of!

And I bet that hardly anyone knew that when they voted....Look, I know how we voted, fine. But I am also convinced that the sometimes narrow prisim that some folk based their vote on, whilst understandable, somewhat clouded the wider issues that are only now becoming apparent.

I find it a strange position that an advocate of Leave seems happy to just leg it, without knowing what the longer term consequences will be.

 

[Joey66]

69% of Labour voters voted to remain, contrary to popular belief.

Yes the London vote was strong the northern heartlands was disasteous the very places they may lose if Brexit is stalled or abandoned!
If obstacles are put in the way!
Contistituancy wise it was approx 400 out to 200 Remain!

 

[Tubey]

And I bet that hardly anyone knew that when they voted....Look, I know how we voted, fine. But I am also convinced that the sometimes narrow prisim that some folk based their vote on, whilst understandable, somewhat clouded the wider issues that are only now becoming apparent.

I find it a strange position that an advocate of Leave seems happy to just leg it, without knowing what the longer term consequences will be.

Here's Ashtonian, demonstrating that he had no clue that the free movement of people and access to the single market were completely entwined.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/eu-in-or-out.89343/page-231#post-4621352

It's that level of fundamental lack of knowledge, and just voting on nonsense hearsay rather than actual evidence. It's the politics of the gutter, and the Trump election combined with Brexit shows just how low the collective IQ of our society really is.

 

[SNova]

You can't, to all extents and purposes.

Even those outside the EU who have access to it have to abide by basically EU membership rules on free movement, such as Switzerland and the EEA, who are effectively in the EU but have no say on how it is run, and no say on current and future free trade agreements.

It's hard Brexit or no Brexit, and I really do wish the pretence to the contrary would end - or indeed, the lies about it would have stopped before the referendum so that so many people were not misled into voting out.

Does the Canadian deal have free movement of people?

I've wanted 'hard Brexit' for a while. Leave the EU and single market and negotiate the UK's access to their market. I didn't vote leave to still be in the EU/single market.

Only once that has been negotiated between the member states, they all agree, then negotiated with the UK.

And that, simply, will not be allowed through.

A simple free trade agreement would be beneficial to us both.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Does the Canadian deal have free movement of people?

I've wanted 'hard Brexit' for a while. Leave the EU and single market and negotiate the UK's access to their market. I didn't vote leave to still be in the EU/single market.

There wasn't a vote for the kind of leave people wanted though, was there?

 

[Joey66]

And I bet that hardly anyone knew that when they voted....Look, I know how we voted, fine. But I am also convinced that the sometimes narrow prisim that some folk based their vote on, whilst understandable, somewhat clouded the wider issues that are only now becoming apparent.

I find it a strange position that an advocate of Leave seems happy to just leg it, without knowing what the longer term consequences will be.

The ballot paper was in plain English OUT meant we were leaving the EU it was a three month campaign???
I just cannot grasp the fact you are indicating what the electorate were voting for?
Or the people were fascist or stupid oh Remain lost that's more like it!

 

[roydo]

Does the Canadian deal have free movement of people?

I've wanted 'hard Brexit' for a while. Leave the EU and single market and negotiate the UK's access to their market. I didn't vote leave to still be in the EU/single market.

What was the #1 reason you voted to leave?

 

[SNova]

There wasn't a vote for the kind of leave people wanted though, was there?

Let's be honest this rhetoric is coming from remain voters who would like us to stay in the EU.

What was the #1 reason you voted to leave?

Sovereignty.

 

[roydo]

The ballot paper was in plain English OUT meant we were leaving the EU it was a three month campaign???
I just cannot grasp the fact you are indicating what the electorate were voting for?

We were voting to stay or go.

We voted go.

You said we were voting to activate A50. Not me.